He's shit. Can't score goals. Can't hold the ball up. What does he do?
Won't win us trophies going forward.
What's the point in keeping him around ?
Get rid in the summer.
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He's shit. Can't score goals. Can't hold the ball up. What does he do?
Won't win us trophies going forward.
What's the point in keeping him around ?
Get rid in the summer.
I think we should keep him as an option, but he most definitely needs upgrading as a priority. He has screwed up guilt edged chances in all of the big games this season, I literally do not have any confidence in him. In my opinion we will not progress as a team if we don't upgrade on him.
It is obvious. He is no way better than Bendtner (not saying Bendtner is good). The only thing he is good at is moaning and making cum face whenever he fuckup a sitter. :coffee:
And bring in who? Bendtner? Sanogo?
Giroud is all we have. Podolski as we've seen can't play that role. Theo is dead. Giroud is it.
He can be a backup, but if him staying means no decent striker coming in get rid now because you can't win sh*t with such a toothless finisher.
Well Arsene has only had 2 full windows to do something about it. He should have signed a top class striker in the Summer, failing that he could have at least brought in someone in January, I mean Berbatov could have done a job for us.
Bring Bendtner bring Podolski, bring Sanogo. Why not? They can't be any worse than Giroud. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Yeah, but the window is shut now. This is a reality we have to face.
No he'll be a good squad player, but unless the next striker we bring in can create for himself, it's gonna be the same thing. Until Wenger realizes that this style of play needs an overhaul(which won't happen)
But they can be worse and they have been worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
No, keep him as backup. The common belief that he just isn't good for a title winning team seems to be holding weight now.
I was discussing this with Zimm earlier in the season but there's been no team that has won the Premier League without having a world class free scoring striker up front: Drogba, Rooney, RVC, Henry, Shearer, Cantona, Aguero, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo etc etc. I thought we would be the first team that would buck the trend but sadly it seems this isn't going to be the case. Unfortunately these type of players are a dime in a dozen and are extremely difficult to get. We had one of them but instead of taking a principled approach to the matter we decided to sell the cunt to Man United for "footballing reasons" instead of holding firm like Dortmund and Liverpool have done. Weak and spineless.
No they are not. Bendtner definitely has better stats than Giroud (mostly playing from the wing) and maybe a yard or two quicker. Podolski is the best finisher is the squad, he clearly deserve some chance. Sanogo is maybe shit but can't be any shitter than this. Sanogo is probably our only CF who has both speed and power to play as CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And Giroud has err...hhmm.. a stupid cum face :coffee:
You know how it is, it's not Giroud's fault, Bendnter is sh*t, it's the refs fault and all that....Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
I mean, I'd rather give Podolski all of these chances Giroud's getting.
Pods might not pretend to hold the ball up which Giroud does (then loses it 10 seconds later), but he is far more efficient in front of goal.
You know how it is, chavs could only draw last night so we're all sulky and shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Couldn't give a toss about last night, I'm more concerned about our games (Arsenal in case you wondered) and how we perform rather than how many petty fouls the ref missed and how much the press hate us and love everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Pods can't play 90 mins and the couple of occasions we've given him more than a bit part he's been anonymous. Not always the front man's fault either, there's way too much tippy tappy shite going on in the middle and between the middle and back four. Plodding stuff. It isolates forward players except when they have their back to goal to retain it for the midfield who then tap it around a bit more. Then it goes wide, Sagna hits 1 in 6 into the box, the forward man is knackered from endlessly trying to find space for a pass that never comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I'd go along with that. I like Giroud, he does his best but he's not good enough to lead the line in a side with serious title pretentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We need someone explosive up front. We have no one like that available in the entire squad from now until the end of the season.
We'd have won the Chelsea game if we had and from what I heard we'd have won tonight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
It's games like this which win and lose you titles.
I like Podolsk, but when he's been given chances down the middle he's been mostly shit. As for Bendtner, I saw him live against Hull and he was worse than anything Giroud has served up this season.
Giroud is a decent player and would be ideal back up to a top class striker. He's had an ok season but its not his fault Wenger has played him 90 mins every week, even when its clearly not going for him. He's had 2 shockers in a row which has cost us (particularly tonight) but I blame Wenger for neglecting this area of the squad, not Giroud.
What we're severly lacking is pace. Both out wide and up front. Its killing us.
I don't think we should get rid of him but he's nowhere near good enough. We need more options.
I'd like to see Sanogo given a chance really; his back will probably go at any given moment so we should take the chance whilst we can.
Not much in the way of hold up play from Giroud today really, nor any good lay-offs. If he can't do that then his role does become a bit redundant. However if we don't get many players up to support him either for fear of being hit on the counter-attack then maybe it is going to be tougher for him, or anyone.
Most people have been saying we need an elite striker for a long time. Even when Adebayor and RVC had great periods of form. It's usually what makes a good team outstanding.
It's actually extraordinary that we've performed so well without one. And we haven't even had Theo available to ease the burden somewhat.
It's not Giroud's fault that he's the only viable option in the squad and there's no-one to play ahead of him in the pecking order, alongside him on the pitch or providing meaningful back-up on the bench. That's a management fault. Giroud is doing the best he can. And what he can do will always be limited.
If Warwick Davies was playing at CB for most of the season and had been found wanting but was virtually irreplaceable because of no other options, I certainly wouldn't petulantly bitch at him if he'd put in the best effort he could. Because it wouldn't be his fault.
Thing about Podolski is he's an accomplished finisher, for me I'd pick him ahead of Giroud just based on that, a striker doesn't need to be running around all match heading it back and sideways to be effective.
Ideally we should get a pacey striker who can finish up front and a pacey winger to add to the likes of Cazorla, Ozil and Ox.
Maybe, he's totally unproven though, he's barely got any games under his belt for anyone and is injury prone. Players like him need to be given the odd game here and there for them to get their confidence up, alongside top forwards for them to learn from.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It'd be hard for Wenger to escape charges of gross mismanagement if we had to go into the most critical period of the season with a complete novice leading the line. It'd destroy the kid's career here, even more than signing him destroyed it.
Of course he's unproven, he's barely played a game!Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'm guessing you're advocating sticking with Giroud then. :unsure: There's not a chance in Hades of Poldi playing as a striker for us.
No definitely not, our options are very limited though, wouldn't hurt to play a couple players up front for a change maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Podolski has never impressed when he's started up front on his own, that's just not where his strengths lie. Wenger has built this side with the idea of a big striker bringing a talented midfield into play, it's a niche role. It's obvious Giroud is limited but he does what Wenget wants. The only way to make this system effective is to have some pacey wide players who will take chances and beat their markers.
Never impressed but he hardly has had a full game upfront to get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I'd just leave him up there for the whole game, if a chance falls to him, he's far more likely to put it away.
I don't really buy the argument that Giroud holds the ball up and links play, he's got crap control and loses the ball soon after. He can't be any worse than Giroud in that aspect.
I've been trying to let him off the hook for a while now but he's just too limited and just not good enough. Even his 'link-up play' had got us excited after his few Bergkamp like touches at the start of the season, but it has gone to shit since. I don't see anything he brings to the team that Podolski wouldn't (even if Podolski isn't a top striker himself). It's not his fault and so I don't see the point of hurling abuse at him, but by the same token, the next time he manages to do something half decent, let's spare the 'Giroud is awesome' talk. I think Wenger knew he wasn't good enough which us why he spent the summer trying to find a better striker.
A club aiming for the title needs a striker that can take half-chances. Forget a world class player like Van Persie, Adebayor is a much better player overall than Giroud. Wenger at least saw he had some pace and finishing ability.
Toanswer the actual question of the thread....what good will getting rid of him do? Given that we can only rid ourselves of him this summer which also coincides with Bendtner getting the hell on out......
Are we really suggesting that Podolski/Sanogo be first choice and Park backup?
What we need to be doing is signing a world class forward and letting Giroud watch the game from the bench thinking about how quickly and how few chances he will need to score when he does come on.
Not signing a top forward was always going to be a problem. Didn't need to be clairvoyant to see that last summer.
I agree, but it's a sh*t idea to be honest, sick of seeing his obsession with midfielders being played out, it just doesn't work how many years will it take for him to understand you need strikers who can score goals to win stuff....without them you come up against the big boys and put out powderpuff attacks with nothing at the end of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If Wenger was the maverick scientist hes portrayed as he would have got Adebayor back this summer when the Suarez thing went wonky.
But hes meek and scared and populist and now obsessed with feeble unathletic players.
Get rid of Giroud, Podolski and Bendtner and arguably many of the midfield too
Arteta for a start, and arguably Flamini as well (not a criticism of him i think he's been great this season and has given us a solidity we have missed in front of the back four, but he hasn't the ability to help us in big games and was only ever intended as a stop gap). I think also arguably you have a decision to make over which one of Ramsey or Wilshere goes, i think the Midfield is being congested in the centre and they play very similar games. Diaby definitley needs to go, maybe Rosicky as well as time just isn't on his side in his career anymore.
You stop this nonsense of turning the Ox into a central midfielder, we already have far too many already...and lacking pace on the wing......ditto Gnabry....both need to play on the wing
Than you bring in a player like Pogba, the nearest player you can get to being Patrick Vieira at this moment in time without being Yaya Toure (i could actually cry when i think we had him on trial with us ten years ago).
I would also get rid of Monreal in defence (i'm sorry he's too slow and his shortcomings were horrifically exposed in the drubbings by City and Liverpool this season).
Don't ask me who i'd bring in as a striker because i don't even know how many decent avaliable strikers are out there, it astonishes me that we didn't nail down our interest in Higuain (getting Liverpool to sell us Suarez was never going to fly) as he has the burst of pace that we are seriously lacking up front.
Mandzukic would not be a good signing, ditto Diego Costa i think they would both more fit into Chelsea's team rather than Ours......Benzema is also too slow. My preference would be someone like Alexis Sanchez however his season with Barcelona would render that almost impossible in my view.
I guess this is why i can understand why we didn't sign a striker in January, who do you sign?
^ Wait, Rosicky to go ?
He's one of our best players, never stops running, and has decent pace on him. He increases the speed of our game.
Yep. The midfield is talented but goal scorers they are not. None of them seem particularly willing to chance their arm (except for maybe Cazorla), it's always just look for a killer ball and pass up responsibility where possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We were really fortunate Ramsey went mental because he was putting in the numbers of a top striker, now he's crocked the spotlight has fallen on Giroud and confirmed what we all suspected about him.
I agree also that Giroud is not benefitted by the lack of pace on the wings, but what alarms me so much is the chances that are presented to him that he misses, if he was absent in games i could perhaps understand it more but when he has good chances like he had tonight he makes a dogs dinner almost every time especially against the top sides.
I agree but he's also 33 now and can't be relied on game in, game out. I love him don't get me wrong and i think at his best he is the most technically gifted player we have at the club on the ball, but there is no room for sentiment....sentiment doesn't put this abject nine year gap without a trophy to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies