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Only the fa cup can save this season, and fuck sake if we get City.
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Mandatory thread each year.
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Only the fa cup can save this season, and fuck sake if we get City.
Yes.
Yes
Yeah I am done with him and wanted him gone a couple of seasons ago. It's not even about money or lack of it anymore, I don't think it has been for a while. Fancy a change now and a new man in charge.
Heeellll no... We'll get someone in who'll do even worse than Moyes.
If it had been up to most people in here, Owen Coyle would be in charge of mid-table team Arsenal :d
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Originally Posted by selassie
This
Depends on who is given the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Moyes was a fail of an appointment.
Owen Coyle would atleast try to fix the team. Wenger does fuck all. I don't see what he does. Tactically we're toothless in attack, transfer market has been shoddy for a long time. He let us get trounced by Liverpool, and made subs at 60 mins when we were out of it.
Yeah me too, tired of seeing the same reptative stuff every season and the same problems in with transfers etc, time for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
I would actually bet that the only reason we've had any sort of defence this season is down to Bould and nothing more.
Wengers tactical cluelessness is starting to rear it's ugly head again, and I'm not even gonna go down the transfer window road.
Seen it all before and Ive had enough.
I bet we are out of all comps by the end of March and face a fight for 4th/5th place again.
Yawn, yawn, yawn.
He didn't even choose Kosc/BFG to partner up, it happened when Verm got injured at Bayern away :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
That's not true, Vermaelen was dropped after the Tottenham game. He wasn't injured.
Yep well there you goQuote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
*waits for letters to wade in with his 'he's not some bumbling idiot' comment.
:lol:
My bad, but there you go, he was forced into it because of how shite Verm played that day letting Bale/Lennon inQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I don't want Wenger to have another go at another transfer window, I don't trust him to do what we need, so end of season is the end of the line for me.
On the evidence of what we've seen, this year, and the last 7 before. He is some bumbling idiot. His own worst enemy. If there is a way to cock up a winning hand Wenger will find it. Led the log from September till january, now we are hoping for 4th,...... again. Letters says theres been progress. I love the word progress. Something that you can insist you see, but have no hard evidence to prove......In some other climes its also called faithQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Munchies out.
Endure almost a decade of this stadium move business and just as it comes to an end sack the manager? That's self evidently crazy. So are we saying if we'd won the Carling Milk Cup, or whatever it is called, during the last 8 years - don't sack him? Or if we'd have won the title once and finished 12th every other season, no sacking? Or just sack him because thanks for helping build a strong financial base and keeping us in the CL but we don't like the tactics so get somebody else in to capitalise on what has been built? Mancini maybe? Or AVB? Or another great on paper figure? Pick a lottery number.
Comedy clubs such as the chavs and the gypos have come into the game and all but transformed it from a sporting event on the pitch to a celebrity mercenary parade and a pile of devalued trophies with the price tag still hanging off them. No proper club can compete (as in financially afford) this, not even Man Utd as we can see with the wreckage left behind by Ferguson. Don't forget it was our striker developed by our manager that the great Fergie had to turn to to capture his last title in an environment where the comedy clubs were self destructing as a result of their utter disregard for the game and overwhelming urge to purchase prizes. The chavs with their merry-go-round of managers, the gypos with their dressing room knifings and chequebook solutions to each fresh mistake. Too much attention is paid to the whoring media spin on the facts. The media is just as bad as the comedy clubs, in it for and even shorter term succession of cheap headlines and thrills. These cunts aren't the history of football, their bullshit isn't a yardstick for anyone but morons and plastics.
We still can't and surely wouldn't want to behave like the comedy clubs, but apparently we are finally in a position to challenge in the hopelessly inflated market the mobsters and sand thieves have inflicted on football. We're doing this the right way. When we eventually win something (and we will) the prize will stand for success across the board, from the way the club is run behind the scenes, right through to the way we play on the pitch. As sportsmen. That's an achievement and it will have been done despite the undiluted vandalism of pretend clubs who forego the challenge and simply jump to the end game brandishing a chequebook. We have had to actually earn the cost of admission to this game. Everything we do has a genuine value that can be traced all the way back to proper business decisions. I don't think the temper tantrums of fans are sufficient to devalue this effort and I doubt they'll be sufficient to derail it either.
We went into this season hoping to grab 4th place again. We have done a lot better than expected. But we haven't made the type of leap that can be manufactured by doing a Harry Enfield routine. It was always likely to be that way but our over achievement generated a much bigger expectation that we originally had and now there's disappointment. But do we choose to behave like the grubby crook Abramovich? Do we say not good enough, we want it all immediately? Progression is not good, we need to leap to the end. Sack everybody if we can't have it now!
What if we improve again in the summer? What if we improve the season after that? What if we continue to improve? Eventually we reach a place the comedy clubs don't fantasize about because it is beyond their understanding. Achievement based on merit. What a day that will be and all the pieces have now been put in place to START the process. Why stall the engine?
Some want Usmanov and his billions pushed to the fore. Fine, but be certain of one thing - that's NOT football. Cunts like Abramovich and the 40 thieves don't fucking tell us what the game is or what it has become or what's real and not real. Fuck them. They are not football unless all the fans of proper clubs throw in the towel and accept the pile of horse shit being shovelled by the rats in the media. It's like anything else in life. Corrupt politicians are not normal just because they are in the majority. They are not "how the world just is" because none of us have the guts to string them from the lampposts.
Our club and our manager has said there is still some football in football, under all that shit. I say we give them the chance to prove it now the hard work adjusting to the destruction wrought by non-footballing interlopers has been concluded. I say fuck the media and their 8 years without a trophy, 100 red cards manure. I say fuck the FA who apparently would have happily allowed Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein to plant themselves in our sport. If we try and fail then so be it but I'm not for failing before we try. That really would be the ultimate lack of ambition.
Sack Wenger? Basically, no.
^ From whatever we've seen of Wenger recently, it's that he's not cut out for the job. Yes the transfer fees nowadays are pushed over the top by the oilies, but there are numerous players out there that we could have got had Wenger not haggled over the fee. Higuain, world class goal scoring record, was linked to us for weeks and weeks, but he didn't want to pay £5m more. We have £120m in the bank now (latest financial results), are we asking for all of it to be spent to send us on the brink of being in debt ? No. But the squad has areas which needs investing in, which Wenger doesn't seem to want to address. He couldn't spend the whole summer/jan to find a striker better than Giroud/Bendnter ?
So far the only 'business decision' that is happening with the club is for them increasing their own pockets, charging the fans more and more each season for going to games. (3% increase).
How anybody can still think Wenger is the way of the future is beyond me. The man has never spent his transfer budget in any window. Gets himself involved in ebvery minutae of a transgfer and screws it up as a result. He could maybe be a better manager if he left others to do the jobs he corrals into his own portfolio. He is 64 and the only way from here is downward, or more of the same, if you like your trophies labelled 4th.
All I'll say is he brings all this on himself.
Put ourselves in a brilliant position to win the title for the first time in donkeys years. All he had to do was strengthen the squad at a critical point in the title race to help us push on. He decided to go bargain hunting again. Despite having a shit load of cash having spent fuck all over the years.
Previously there would be board issues or lack of funds given as an excuse. This season it really is down to him and nothing else, that's clear.
Having spent the majority of the season 1st, going into the final few weeks scraping for 4th would be a disgrace.
We've done so well to finally turn our fortunes around but we fuck it up once again. So much progress but so much disappointment.
If you get rid of him you could have a Man Utd effect as every player seems to think he's jesus. On the other hand, for the first time in years I'd actually trust Gazidis to get the right man in as he has seen what's happened to Utd and would want to avoid that. Plus he genuinely seems to want to spend but Wenger is the one reneging on deals, no doubt frustrating Ivan in the process.
I just don't know what to say or think anymore.
How much would the chavs and the gypos have to charge for tickets if they didn't have funds robbed from Russians and the real Arab people poured in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Why didn't we have all this crying after the Sunderland game? Is it really that simple? Win and Wenger can stay. Lose and he has to go? On a match by match basis? That's silly.
Well when you're in a position of being in charge of a sports team, being paid £7m a year, you are solely judged by your teams performances. After all, you're in charge of the players you have and the tactics that are being employed.
8 years and counting of having won nothing.
This defeat signifies the 'Collapse' which happens every year that's why.
Now, even Kroenke doesn't get any flak. It's all Wenger, he's given the funds and doesn't want to spend.
Wenger has become a parody of himself.
For the last 5 or 6 years its been like clockwork...buy players way below standard, not address problem areas, no change in game tactics etc etc and repeat.
How can everyone see the obvious gaps and yet Wenger refuses to address them, its ridiculous and complete arrogance on his part.
Buy Ozil was great, and like many i rejoiced that we were willing to spend again but i genuinely thought either last summer or in January we would buy a pacey striker to complement our abundance of midfielders. Wenger true to form simply could not address or would not address this matter.
He is a guy built on principles which were fine 15 years ago....however it saddens me to say he has not moved with the times, he has been obvious and unimaginative a manager as you can get.
His clear genius still gets him through and yes we do "win" the 4th place trophy....but that maverick, innovative, genius of a manager who came here in 1996 is no longer the same man.
Its not so much a case of Wenger out, its more so a case of we need new direction and if he truly does love this club he will not sign another deal to extend his contract.
Remember that Football Manager player who got a job as a coach of a real football team ? He finished 5th.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Baku-job.html
Give me the job :coffee: . Not too hard to see where the faults are in this team.
But this just isn't true. Plainly Wenger is not just judged on what happens on the pitch. If anything the board seems to place more emphasis on what he does off the pitch. He gets paid £7mill to generate and extra £40odd million and he's done it every season. I don't like the bias towards business decisions when they are taken at the expense of the team, but the Wenger wage thing and the way the board views it all is not the same thing as the fans' view. Probably never will be and we're not the only club who suffers that. Thieves like Abromovich can PRETEND to share the ambitions of the fans because he has limitless funds to shovel. But he didn't give much of a toss and his true colours were revealed with that whole Shevchenko business, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Jurgen Klopp FTW. If the club make the offer I am sure Dortmund will let him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Kroenke will get a lot, I don't think he will want Wenger or the new manager to completely overhaul the team. It will cost him too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
NQ I really wish you would let up with the City,United,Chelsea axis of evil B.S. It is the refuge of Loser's. The reasons why Wenger fails is just down to himself and no one else. At times its as if he is actually afraid to win, maybe because, next season,he will be under pressure to win again .Wengers fails because he won't do what it takes to win, pure egomaniac
Yes thats totally how it works :sarcy:
Wenger out? No.
One of the greatest managers of all time and our most succesful.
More knee-jerk crap.
That my friend is somebody talking facts and sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Look at the amount of "small" teams that have reached finals/won cups over the last few years and you'll see not only is the talk about financial doping irrelevant but that with the right attitude and application, you can win a trophy or two. Sunderland this season, Wigan last, Everton a couple of seasons before that just to name a few. (id name Birmingham too but that'd be painful)
I just think that we could and should have won a cup or two and the reasons we havent won anything is not just down to dirty money being thrown around, its mainly because the manager simply doesnt know how to win and wont do the necessary. I remember after that loss in the CC in 2011, i thought to myself "we'll never win anything under this guy again".
If I read the theory going around right, the double double winner doesn't know how to win? Is that about it?
All I'm saying is a 3D analysis takes more factors into account than a one dimensional knee jerk.
If I read the theory going around right, the double double winner doesn't know how to win ANYMORE? Is that about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
According to Tim Payton:
Arsene Wenger out of contract at Arsenal in just 3 months. Solely his decision on whether to renew. Understand he's not decided
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
thats just a stupid thing to say. just because you don't spend all the money doenst mean you are a bad manager. Last summer we spent 42 million and got Mesut Ozil, Flamini and Sanogo. Spurs spent their entire transfer budget of over 100 million and got a massive pile of shit who are now trying to leave the club.
I do agree with those that say Arsene got it wrong in not signing a striker, clearly we needed one for the last couple of years and the higuuain saga was a fuck up.
Tbf why pay 35m for Higuain, when you get told that you can get Suarez for 40m?
I love you :cloud9:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Homo.
We got neither because of Wenger's valuations. A glass of water is worth a fortune to a man dying of thirst.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC