Which would you prefer if you could only pick one?
Cup for me. It's been too long
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Which would you prefer if you could only pick one?
Cup for me. It's been too long
Cup. It's possible that, rationally speaking, getting 4th is a better platform for next year with revenues and prestige to help improve the squad. However, I just want something to celebrate.
Hopefully we get both though :scarf:
If it's a choice then the Cup. I don't think our transfer plans will change irrespective of 4th or 5th place finish.
I honestly can't choose.
Obviously it goes without saying losing the final would be a disaster, but I also think a cup win would be soured if we finished 5th, given that is the minimum objective and something Wenger has been all too keen to speak about. Plus we were challenging for the title 5 games ago, so to drop out of the top 4 completely would be pathetic.
The cup, couldn't care less about finishing 4th, we did for all the previous seasons and the extra funds weren't spent by Wenger anyway
Need an option for both, why should it be a choice? Anything less than both is completely unacceptable given the opposition we are up against. Everton and Hull? We should be shitting out and wiping up teams like that.
If we capitulate like we did against Everton then we'll get neither. So the only acceptable option is to find a set of balls and win the cup and qualify for the CL.
I think one without the other will be disastrous.
Katy Perry or Kiera Knightely, I know which one I would choose....The one with the big fat revenue streams
Dont really care about 4th or Champions league, if all we are going to do is qualify for the second round and get knocked out the moment we play a team with 11 football players. We have got 4th every season for almost a decade (peppered with 3rd) and it has provided me ZERO happiness.
I think winning a trophy will be a great springboard for us to go onto better things. FA Cup any day for me. In fact, I'd prefer the Carling cup over 4th place trophy.
of course we would like both but the question is if we were only to have one. Id go for the cup. I think the ramifications of losing another cup final will be worse for morale and mentaility than a year out of the CL. The only thing we miss out on in the CL in the revenue and i'm sure the club have a contingency if this happens. My only concern for non CL qualification is not attracting the big name players we need to challenge but as someone pointed out, we probably wouldnt spend the money anyway.
We need that monkey off the back....
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
Exactly, what's the point of getting into CL if we won't ever do anything ? I don't want Europa football, but is it really that bad? Still a trophy, and for next season, the winner gets a CL spot so there won't be a need to finish 4th again.
I think realistically 4th place is more important than the fa cup in that if Wenger goes at the end of the season i think we are going to be less of an attractive prospect to a decent manager if we finish outside of the champions league. But from my own perspective i will be heartbroken if we don't win the cup, i couldn't tell you how i felt i felt between the time they scored and Mert's equaliser....not that disimilar from the inner anguish those who throw themselves in front of trains feel, and i can't imagine i'd feel anything more than disappointed if we didn't finish 4th. And actually i could see a silver lining, that for me finishing 4th is all about the money and prestige as i've never realistically felt we had a chance to win the thing (not since we were last in the final anyway), where as i think we could win the Europa League and yes it's not a great trophy but if it's good enough for the likes of Porto,Sevilla and Atletico Madrid it's good enough for us...and would be a welcome addition to our rather dusty trophy cabinet.
On the flip side, i don't think Wenger will stay beyond this season without us acheiving both, it's just conceivable that he might decide to stay if we win the fa cup, because the ill feeling against him will be softened even for finishing outside the top four but winning a trophy. The pressure is on, and it's not from the board....but i think he genuinely meant it when he said him signing a new contract was determined on how he felt we acheived this season. Finishing 4th place again after being top in February and then failing to win anything, i think he knows the feeling will be too too much against him. Finishing 5th and winning the fa cup, it's anyones guess what he do. Finish top four and win the fa and he signs a contract extension.
Because the whole point of this poll is to ask which people value more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Depends if Wenger is here next season.
If he is then I'd take the cup, if its a new manager I think Champs league is more important if we want to make the top signings this squad needs.
I agree (looking at it objectively anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
If we don't win the cup though, I think I'd be more devestated than when my last dog had to be put to sleep....unbearable sense of loss.
Then again you can only imagine what Liverpool fans will be feeling if they don't go on and win the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
They will be fishing people out of the Mersey for weeks
Cup.
Missing out on champions league money means fuck all as we don't spend it, plus we hardly need more money at the moment.
I don't know we haven't turned a profit without player sales for years, and losing all that tv money and the 30million will be a big blow.
Whatever cash reserves we have will be be needed to guarantee the wage bill so can't imagine will be anything left for transfer fees.
We can survive without champions league football, but survive and spend...certainly not we can barely afford that even with champions league money.
I think the only thing we could do is borrow the money and make a loss, which when your competing with sides that can run at huge losses is unwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I think you'd have to reconcile yourself to the fact that if we miss out this season itd be a hell of a long time before we get it again.
Talking to yourself :bow:
Well I prefer to think of it as thinking out loud, if I was talking to myself there would be an internal debate going on, or maybe I'm just saying that to convince myself I'm not going mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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FA Cup. Mainly because we have to rely on other results to get fourth now.
Both
Thing is, the FA cup is altogether winnable now. Not to win against Hull would be a nightmare even greater than our defeat to Birmingham because we realistically should beat them 9 times out of 10. However when you stand back and analyse our predicament we really cannot afford to drop out of CL. Pool will use the CL to reinforce and will be strong candidates next season whether they win the PL this season or not. You can see that Henry is a sports lover and will throw more money at them. They have a good manager they will be better. United wont stand still, they will spend whatever it takes to get back on top and will surely have a back up plan for a new manager by Xmas if Moyes looks like being a dud again. That leaves us......you know who our manager is and who our management are.
Wenger will say...."I believe in this group of players. They have the right spirit, determination and quality to challenge for the title next year. Yes not playing in the CL is a setback but we can win the Europa and show that we are still a force in Europe......" He wont buy anyone..or the players wont come...next season we will be 6th or 7th. In fact the absolute worst scenario is Everton coming 4th. They will also try their best to upgrade and Martinez will find more quality loanees that Wenger will never do. We could end up 8th behind the Spuds.....We wont be back in the CL for at least 6 years. HCZ will then say we cant compete against Everton and Tottenham`s riches.
How on earth did it get to this?. I cant believe you guys are saying you'd rather host the likes of Sevilla, Trabsonspor and Grasshoppers than the likes of Barca Madrid, Bayern. That music, those check decals on the stadium. You guys are just being emotional.....Come back to earth please. The FA cup is great but really. This is a cup we won so often, they were about giving it to us for keeps. We should be winning that thing every 3 years at least.....Why arent we...the same reason we are having this poll. We have gone from being kings to run of the mill Dukes and Earls
Weeks? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Decades.
Both shouldn't be beyond us. But I actually think Champs League is more important for us for this season. I don't want any excuses about spending money next year or finding it difficult to attract players. We'd lose out on the home game gate revenue, along with the TV money.
I want us to be in the best position to attract players and a new coach for next year. Winning the final but coming 5th will still feel like a poor season. I think we need to start thinking long term if it's beyond this team to do both. It's really depressing.
Couldn't give a toss about 4th to be honest, CL bores me sh*tless are we have no chance of ever getting anywhere in it.
Cup for me.
Be nice to win it in style as well rather than with a borefest.
Totally agree, with a different manager I'd probably enjoy the CL more due to the increased unpredictability, with Wenger in charge I get zero enjoyment, someone may as well say he's the money for qualifying for the last 16 don't bother playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
It has to be said that Wenger has been exposed in Europe, so many years in Europe with several clubs and he's not even managed to fluke a win in any competition, basically in Europe he doesn't have what it takes to succeed.
I can remember when Man U were chasing the CL after not winning it, it was hard but they kept knocking on the door and eventually they got there, get to the end of the path and fall through the trapdoor everytime we get there.
Wenger hails qualifying for the CL for x amount of years, but I wonder if there's any manager with a worse record in Europe than him in terms of performance over such a long period.
You should worry about our corporate sponsors.....many of them will do a runner if we are not in the CL. I would be amazed if there wasn't a clause in the contracts that allows them to pay less if we aren't in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Cup without a doubt.
Need something to celebrate now having waited 9 seasons.
Seeing BFG lift the trophy would be awesome :cloud9:
Hope Arteta is nowhere near the stadium, let alone wearing the arm band!
we could always apply to the home office to get a deportation order to send him back to san sebastien, but i don't know if we could get it done in time for the cup finalQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
He did get the pel scoring off to a proper start in the semis, tbf. :lol:
What's with all the Arteta hate...?
Easy decision. No decision even......FA cup.
Fa cup all day long.
I'm actually starting to think that missing out on the CL for a season might not be a bad thing.
Psychologically, it could make the players try a damn sight harder next season to fight their way back into it and give them less of a sense of entitlement.
It's all well and good finishing top 4 every year but does it really give the players much of a reason to fight and play the best they can when it seemingly becomes commonplace?
If we don't get 4th, we will get Europa league football.
Spuds/Arsenal final ? Stopping their only chance of CL footy again :lol:
Can we come 17th just for one season, please?
You just know the spuds will be 18th or lower then.
A part of me is curious to see how we'd fare in the Europa League. We always seem to qualify from our CL groups with relative ease and most of the time they're made up of Europa League standard teams. If there's a chance we'd take it seriously I don't think it's the worst thing in the world really, we aren't exactly awash with European history and success, we're still lightweights in that sense, so it would be a good chance to build that up. We'd gain far more credibility from a strong EL showing than we would from our usual last 16 exits in the CL.
The only concern is how it would affect our pull when it comes to attracting super quality players.