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Great news if it happens. Begs the question, why didn't we do this in January?
Not a bad move at all. Has good pace, dribbling, and can score. Think he has near 20 goals this season and a hatful of assists too.
£3m is nothing these days, and it's a pretty clever clause to put in.
Youtube scouting this season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbQaC5xito
Let's get Griezmann too whilst we're at it :popcorn:
Oh, and heres the story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-open-25m.html
That video serves to really highlight what a player Griezmann is as much as anything else! He seems even more complete a player than I realised.
Nice to see Vela do his trademark chip though. If you need a ball chipping......Vela's your man. Not sure he is really what we need though.....even at a snip.
I read somewhere that Griezmann's defensive work rate is meant to be really impressive too? Anyone actually watched that much of him?
Chips are my favourite, sign him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Homemade are best INO.
There was a concerted report on Vela's love of McDonald's and Burger King once upon a time.... round about the time he was most round I think.
Seemed like he gets well involved in the play and is quite dynamic. I noticed a few through balls played by him from deep but he also was out on the wing a bit and scored a header in a central position. Never actually seen him play a full 90 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
What I do know is that he is a French international with only 1 senior cap, so Wenger will know everything there is to know about him. The question is....why hasn't Wenger already signed him!?
No thanks.
Lightweight little twat. If he couldn't cut it the first time he won't again.
Plus he represents everything that was wrong with the club for years. Loser mentality.
"Here's the one that I want..the one that I want...Ooo Ooo Oooh!"Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Griezmann looks a great player, he's the one we need for the wings if we are in the market for a wide forward. I would prefer him to Draxler tbh.
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
Yeah, I'm starting to lean towards the young French lad too - I still have a feeling that Draxler will be an absolute monster of a players at some point, simply because of the raw attributes he has, but right at the moment his stats are long way behind Griezmann's, and he comes with the heftier price tag? If we're going with our heads then there's only one choice there.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
To be fair to Vela, he does look like he's toughened up a lot in that clip? Still don't think we should be looking at him as anything more than an easy, no-hassle alternative, if all the other options we're looking at crap out though.
That being said, I do wonder if we can use Vela's £3m release clause to our advantage in any talks for Griezmann? There's a lot of clubs snooping around Griezmann, so odds are they're going to lose him anyway, but only us who are able to pry Vela away for next to nothing - I'm guessing they won't want to lose both players at the same time (especially if they'll barely getting a fee for one of them), so they could eliminate the threat of losing Vela (and maybe get us to write off the release clause in the process), if make us the preferred bid for Griezmann?
Vela has improved a lot since he was with us, playing games has obviously helped, being given half a game here and there was never going to develop him.
Wouldn't mind him back as well as a top striker, he's a decent player who never really got a chance first time and suffered from being played out of position when he did play as well.
clearly not going to sign him and a top striker, or a top striker full stop...to do that beaky nose would have to admit that Giroud isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Griezmann plays as us on Fifa :lol:
http://instagram.com/p/iHH-v3hsL_/
http://instagram.com/p/iHInjEhsMo/
'Oh la la la !! Olvier Giroud !!'
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But yeah, Griezmann on the left hand side > Podolski/Cazorla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIbTwFNUUZ4
Vela is having a fine season from the looks of it and he’s always been a good little player. I don’t think he adjusted to life in England and I don’t think it was helped by the lack of first team games plus being played out of position. Wenger would always play him down the left and he’s a left footed player with an eye for goal. Playing him in that position just forced him down the byline because he’s so left footed and it reduces his game. For Real Sociedad he plays down the right as an inverted winger so he’s able to play off his preferred foot and cut in on goal. He might as well stay in Spain because Wenger doesn’t use inverted wingers anymore if you look at how he plays Podolski and Walcott. I don’t think there is any point in him coming back if we use him in the same way.
Wouldn't be the worst option in the world but we'd still need a lot more.
Griezmann would be a good option....i think our best striking option would be Remy, quick, strong and 20 goals in 40 league appearances....and imagine how productive he'd be being fed by players like Cazorla and Ozil.
I'd take Remy as well. Would rather have him for 10 mil than Costa or Cavani for 40. Just want a pacey striker who knows where the goal is, don't care if he doesn't cost the earth. Spend that money on Bender and Draxler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I wouldn't rule out Cavani. He'd be a special player and if available we should pursue. But I doubt we'd be able to afford him.
But I agree with Remy also. Explosive pace is the key thing we need if we can't find an elite striker that pull off something special when the service dries up.
Yep. For some reason I think Griezmann would settle in a bit quicker, I think he would offer better stats too. I do agree that Draxler does have "world class ability" but I have a feeling if he does get to that level it won't be for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
Aye, Remy would guarantee us goals but I wouldn't feel comfortable with him being first choice striker, if we go for him as first choice we might aswell promote Theo to first choice striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I personally think Remy would make an excellent backup striker, in fact I think we should bring him in.
I am still undecided who I think should be our first choice but we should be looking at players like Cavani, Balotelli etc, 2nd tier strikers who have potential to be bonafide world class performers.
I think we can rule out Cavani. PSG bought him for silly money (£50m+) last summer; they're not going to sell him for less just a year later.
I'd have liked to have taken Blaise Matuidi from PSG if they hadn't already tied him down to a new deal
Sure, someone at the "Cavani" type level, someone like Balotelli, he'd be a risk...but if Arsene sorted him out we would have some player on our hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
They have to lower their wage bill so we might be in with a shot regarding asking price but I'm not so sure about his wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I wouldn't exactly call Cavani second tier...though there is clearly not much room left round the sides of Ibrahimovic's ego over in Paris....Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Having said that, Cavani has flattered to deceive a remarkable amount of times in the biggest games, but in truth it can be easily forgiven if he fills his boots up against the cannon fodder. Ostensibly he is precisely the sort of player we need. Physical presence, reasonable speed and a great finishing record scoring most types of goals....
I agree with you somewhat on Remy and I'm not sure he is a centre forward never mind a first choice striker for a club like ours but maybe I'm being harsh on him. I see him as a wide left player really for us (though we may well be stocked up there) but incidentally he would provide another option at centre forward. Nothing wrong with adding depth though and to bring in a player of his quality on free is not the sort of gift you will be presented with often.
I swear you often go on about how you hate the midget stature of our players nowadays? And how Wenger needs to go back to big powerful strong players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Vela was a failure here.
No thanks.
I'm with She Wore.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
Not sure how Carlos (much as I love and respect him) is going to turn his English game around. He struggled in the League Cup against the Wednesday night cloggers and in the games he came on as a game changing sub. Sorry mate, you're not in any Arsenal team I would choose...
They don't have to lower their wage bill, they only need to ensure the wages for the 21 picked for CL squad falls within limits, which are yet to be set and can be appealed. FFP in reality means they can go on spending however much they want to - no limits, just bung a suitcase stuffed with cash at Monsewer Platini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Way too harsh of an assessment for a player that could barely get a run of games. He'd only get cameo appearances for us but always seemed to score during Internationals or getting a full game during the Carling Cup. Vela's true potential is a mystery. If he'd have been given the full run like by Wenger, like how we saw with Denilson or Ramsey, we'd get to see what he's really made of. Unfortunately, there were too many good players ahead of him and never got that run of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker
Happy to cede on this one and love to be proved wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That's mainly in midfield where we have no real powerhouses.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
Vela though is a good little player, for 4 million that's a good deal if we signed another striker on top of that, he's developed as a player.
He never got the opportunity last time IMO, as an additional option off the bench though he wouldn't be bad, I always thought he had talent but really never got played much and when he did was played in the wrong position.
Remy's a wide forward for me, all day long - competition / cover for Walcott more than Giroud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Which, I think we arguably need (almost) as much as we need another CF? We all saw the difference that having just one willing runner in the side made to our attacking game before Christmas with Ramsey, and we all saw how badly the attack was effected when we lost him (and how it's perked up almost instantly again since he returned) - we have to assume that both he and Walcott will continue to pick up injuries along the way, given their recent injury records, so surely we need to make covering them a priority (especially while there's so many options around, many of which look like they'd be extremely cost-effective)?
Also, if we can get more pace / goals in the side from other areas, then I personally think it blows open the list of targets we can be looking at for the new CF?
I think we need someone who can both do what Giroud can and more, because Giroud is very much one dimensional.
Unless Wenger is thinking of switching back to a front two, then no thanks. Two small and fragile for our league. Hes no Aguero/Tevez/Suarez, robust, quick and strong enough to make a nuisance of himself playing upfront by himself. Looks like hes doing well in Spain. Not everyone is cut out for the cut and thrust of our league.
I think Wenger needs to sort out his rotation of players if we’re talking about competition and back up players. We’ve got pace on the bench/reserves that we could be making better use of otherwise they’ll end up like Carlos Vela. What’s happened to Gnarby? Why can’t Ryo get a few games? What about Campbell and will we recall him back from Turkey? If we just need pace, I’m sure these players can contribute but it’s a big ask for these young and inexperienced players to go from zero to 60 after a handful of sporadic 10-15 minute appearances. Remy seems like a decent enough player but I have reservations about signing him to play on the flanks because I doubt Wenger use him as much as he should.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible