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Not too keen on this one personally. Good player, but probably not as defensively minded as we need.
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Not too keen on this one personally. Good player, but probably not as defensively minded as we need.
Yes please.
If you buy players like Sanchez and Khedira you will win trophies. It's as simple as that.
These are top class, experienced players who settle for nothing less than trophies.
If Wenger plans to turn Sanchez into a striker then there's no reason why he couldn't turn Khedira into one of the best DM's in the league.
Then we'll have a German Spine!
Hopefully Merts, Ozil and Poldi have done Wenget's work for him.
If we snapped this guy up we’d do some serious damage! Still a lot of time left in the window.
I've also voiced some minor concerns that he maybe gets about the pitch a little more than we'd like to see from a defensive midfielder, but he has all the attributes needed to do the job to a very high standard, so I really don't think it would be a huge problem to rein him in a bit? To my mind, it would probably represent less of a transition than converting a winger to a striker (something we consider doing on a fairly regular basis), and we've already done something similar recently with Arteta, who had far less top-level experience in the DM role than Khedira's had...
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With his German football friends here I think if the club really want him, he'd take less convincing than Ozil or Sanchez. Would be happy with Khedira but think Schneiderlin and Bender are more defensive players which is a better fit for what is needed.
If we sign Khedira we would be genuine pl title challengers & a good bet to go far in cl. Khedira, Ramsey & Ozil would be the best Midfield in pl & amongst the best in europe.
@StanCollymore 2m
Spoke to agent. Arsenal in advanced talks with Sami Khedira. Fuck me, they're getting serious.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/st...39845197180929
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It's on!
Also, Collymore is a fucking penis.
'he hit that harder than u hit Ulrika'Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
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So are we actually in talks with the bloke? It couldn't happen could it? Seems too good to be true to sign him AND Sanchez in one window!?
His wage demand would make him the highest earner at Arsenal, would that be the right move? is he worth that much in wages? is he defensive enough for us? Perhaps someone like Bender or Sneiderlin would suit us better and give those wages to someone who deserves it.
From my own point of view , out of Khedira , Bender and Morgan Scheinderlin , the latter is the best bet . He is younger , best tackler , good passer and would need no time to acclimatise to EPL . He is the best defensive minded of the three . He might also be the cheaper and easier to get .
Kedhira is a top player but will need time to adjust . He will command a top wages( they talking about him being top earner at Arsenal if he signs ) which will not always be welcome by Sanchez , Ozil , walcott and Ramsey . why should a new guy get more money than everyone before even kicking the ball ?
Bender is also a good DM but will need time to adjust . His reluctance to join Arsenal after all these years Arsene has been after him show he is not really keen to swap his jersey maybe just for money .
We need players like Cabaye who went on strike just to join Arsenal even though his dream did not come tue .
Schneiderin will never say no to Wenger .
I agree. Would rather have Schneiderlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I'll be happy with any of them.
What is pretty sure is , by the time the league start , one of the three if not two , will be an Arsenal player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Podolski signed here and became the top earner in spite of coming from Cologne, which made him the top earner. It is not unprecedented, did not exactly cause mutiny in the ranks and Podolski was hardly a firm first team player too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
It is more than possible that if Sami GENUINELY wants to leave Real, he has to seriously entertain commanding a more modest wage package. Particularly if he wants to stay in a top league, or elsewhere exactly is he going to go?
Cabaye is no more defensive than any name mentioned here. Southampton aren't going to let Morgan S leave easily as I'm sure they want to be left with a few decent players. They can't flog every decent player they have and have made it hard for Lovren to leave.
Daily Testicular Cancer reckons the chavs are after him now. If true I guess they'll match the wage demands and add a zero to the end, so that will be that. Apparently (again mainstream media shite so beware) Remy deal could be off because the bloke wants silly money.
The advantage of signing Khedira is he will bring out the best of Ozil and will change the mentality of setting for second best e.g fourth spot .
The best thing will be that we'd have signed more players than Real Madrid than they have from us.
Oh actually, forgot about Davor Suker. :lol:
When Podolski came he was like a super player and we had no one in our squad to challenge his wages .Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
But now , we have players who deserve top wages and who could question that . I'm talking about Ramsey , Ozil , Walcott , Sanchez .Even BFG and Kos deserve more than what we give them .
Not sure I'm buying the stories about Chelsea's interest in Khedira - all seems a bit obvious and lazy?
Regarding his wages, I suppose there's always the option of bunging him a fat signing on fee, and dropping his wages down to a less contentious level?
They have Matic and Ramires who play DCM as well as other midfielders like Fabregas, Oscar, Mikel, Willian, Schurle etc so i really dont see how they need him. Plus he wouldnt leave Real Madrid to warm the bench and the fact that we can offer him first team football should swing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
He neither arrived as a world class player nor a player who was the best at the club. It could have easily be questioned by a few players and/or their agents and perhaps it was behind the scenes. He wasn't a definite first teamer then and isn't now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Why should BFG get more than he is on? Isn't he on 90k a week or something like that? If Ramsey or Walcott came with the reputation of Khedira then they would have started their careers on high wages. As it was, the onus was towards us taking the risk on them as unproven players, rather than them on us and their pay packets reflected that.
If you want top players out of top clubs of course you're going to have to pay them high wages. Unless we think or expect Real to have a similar wage structure to us.
If we get him, it will be the greatest transfer window in the history of Arsenal!
I don't know how long you be watching Lucas for .He was one of the best in his time . The truth is his form has dramatically dropped . At just 19 he was the German main striker . He has scored 47 goals in 117 games for Germany . That is very impressive record .Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
You ask why BFG should get more money than his 90k? Well , most players of his quality playing for teams of Arsenal standard are on 100k . You will agree he is no Toure or Senderos or Cygan , won't you ?
Until now , ramsey is our most important player . He has matured in a potential world class and more importantly a game-changer . He deserves top recognition .Kedhira being a "world class player " hasn't done anything for us yet even if signs today . We will give him top wages purely on reputation .
Ok, crazy theory alert, but does anyone think we might be looking at bringing in a couple of central midfielders, and not just one (possibly over the next year, but possibly this summer, if the options are there)? Arteta is 32 and down to the last year of his contract now, and I'm pretty sure Flamini was only signed on a two year contract, so he'll be down to his last year too (and we all know how much the Flamster loves a free transfer and a signing on fee)? Has anyone heard anything about talks for new deals for either of them? Rosicky will be 34 in October, Wilshere still has lingering fitness issues after that long lay off, and I'm not sure you can even include Diaby in this discussion with a straight face. Looks like we have a lot of options at first glance, but that could very quickly become very few options, so I do g think the idea is actually that far-fetched...
If I were Wenger, I'd be looking at buying both Khedira AND Bender, but loan Bender out to Leverkusen for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
You're generally talking about how he has done over the course of his career which suggests that what you are actually talking about isn't merely 'form'. The player we have here today, whilst being a good player, is also a player who failed to live up to expectations at Bayern and is far from first team for the national side now too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Nevertheless he came with good credentials which was why he commanded a good salary. I don't think he should have been paid what he was but that is immaterial. I wanted the club to bring in a quality forward and they did. I wasn't going to be bent up out of shape about it because we made him the highest paid player. We'd been penny pinching for years, showed no signs of letting up and paying it didn't bankrupt the club.
What good is it to talk of what 'most' players of Mertesacker's quality playing for a club like ours get? I'm sure it hasn't escaped your attention but there aren't an awful lot of clubs like Arsenal around. You know the type of club that actually tries to run itself properly on the money it accrues through legitimate business avenues and not rely on the benevolence of a rich benefactor. And I'm pretty sure you're not suggesting Distin or Jagielka are on 90k a week at Everton.... not that they are the quality of Per but they are a club who run themselves properly and have to.
If you sign a new player, then what else can you base his wages on other than the quality he has shown based on his past performances.....or in other words his reputation? If his reputation is a fallacy that is another issue, but assuming it is an honest one, I'm not sure why it would not come into play.
Ramsey will have his wages increased in good time to little argument of most reasonable fans. We didn't cut his wages when he wasn't playing well so why should we be obliged to rush and increase them now he is showing strong signs of coming of age? If we put Ramsey on 150k now....and next season he has a shocker.....can we suddenly cut his wages? No we can't, it doesn't work like that, so why shouldn't we take a breath before we go increasing wages of players on long term contracts who have started to play well.
I'm not saying Sammy K deserves to be Arsenal's top earner necessarily...but if you don't want to be obliged to pay a top wage for a top player then you may as well go and buy Stoke's destroyer rather than Real Madrid's and Germany's DM.
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Hope to see that next season except with either a PL or a CL medal.
Wenger wouldn't countenance buying Bender for 25 million + or whatever it will take and loan him back out.
Don't like how injury prone he is
Khedira or Bender?
According to Sport.ES Khedira will be signing for us, 4 year contract.
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Originally Posted by Munchies
Bender the safer and cheaper option
I think we will only save on wages with Bender, his transfer fee will be high as he has a long contract and Leverkusen appear reluctant to sell. Khedira whilst being expensive, only has a year left on his contract so may come slightly cheaper transfer fee wise, his wage demands will be a lot higher though...but you get what you pay for. Khedira is a far superior player.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARightTouch
Is Khedira's injury record really that bad, or has he just had one bad injury this year?
Lucas Podolski didn't have a good time at Bayern Munich but that will not dent his quality . We have had plenty of great players who flopped before they joined Arsenal and became amongst the finest players to have ever pulled our jersey . Denis Berkamp , Thierry Henry did not shine at AC Milan and Juventus respectively .Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Most of the time it is down to the way a player is being used or if the system suits him . Podolski is an attacker . He has been trained to create and score goals . Defensive duties are not his strength . He can still track back to help a full back but it should be occasionally .But if you put behind him a full back who will need constantly his contribution then his quality as a forward will not be the same . Just another exemple , Arshavin was one of the best attacking minded player but the defensive burden we put on him destroyed him completely .
Coming to Ramsey , if we take into account what you said players will never get a decent wages and that will discourage other talents . Anyone can have a good or a bad season but when a player showed a massive improvement he deserves a prize to motivate him and send a strong message to his teammates to raise their game if they want any reward .
Arsenal is a big club and is generating money . That money should be used on players ( buying quality players as we just did with Sanchez and improving the wages of those who raise their game and show us loyalty )