It pretty much looks nailed on now that Wenger has come out with this statement. I wish this wasn't the case. I appreciate TV wanting to play all the time, but he is the type of player we need to maintain depth in the squad.
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It pretty much looks nailed on now that Wenger has come out with this statement. I wish this wasn't the case. I appreciate TV wanting to play all the time, but he is the type of player we need to maintain depth in the squad.
Yeh, I'd prefer he stay, but he's just not as good as the other two.
I guess he just wants to play on the regular. I can respect that.
If it is Man Utd he goes to, in all likelihood he would be swapping one bench for another.
However I don't know much cover he really provides for us any more. Injured more often than not and his goalscoring exploits have gone out the window too.
Do we still own Djourou?
No
I have no objection to letting Vermaelen go if we get a good (ideally young) replacement in, but letting him go to Man U shouldn't be on the table - aside from the fact that they're a massive bunch of cunnies, I think van Gaal is trying to implement the same 3 CB system that he used with Holland, and Vermaelen, as a guy who can play CB and LB, would be a good fit for that.
Ideal scenario: we dick ManUre around until deadline day, and then sell Tommy to Barca.
Thing is, Vermaelen wont break up the Mertecielny partnership unless one of them gets injured, and he will lose his place as soon as the injured one is back. And he knows it. He probably made up his mind about leaving over 9 months ago.
Wenger wont want him to leave but he wont stand in his way and force him to stay either. Vermaelen could easily have kicked up a fuss about not getting playing time last season, especially since it was world cup year. But he didn't, and he admirably kept his mouth shut and dodged awkward questions in interviews so he wouldn't disrupt our season. He deserves a move, but NOT to Man United.
i think wenger got the memo that selling our players to a rival is not kosher otherwise i tend to think he'd be playing for United already. If he goes to Barca, he goes....so far this summer i think Wenger has earned enough credibility that if he sells him that we will get in a replacement so i am not too fussed either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
he never once complained last season, kept his head down and did what he had to do for the team. Even if he goes to united, still will have respect for him, hasn't forced his move, hasn't bitched in the press and always gave 100%. Read somewhere this morning that it could be a swap deal with Smalling. Wouldn't be too bad.
Also this would hardly be strengthening united. Just imagine a Phil Jones and Vermaelen partnership.
http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/johan-djourouQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
It seems as though the official website are not quite ready to give him up though...
If Wenger is happy to sign somebody of at least equal standing / ability then fine, let him go over Manure. I will wish him well (relatively) and he won't be a 'cunt'.... at lest not to me. As mentioned, he hasn't bitched, but I do think bitching is quite rich and ironic, when nobody can deny, even the player himself that he does not deserve to be in the bleeding team.
Does Wenger really want to give himself more work to do though? Yes he is unhappy on the bench...any decent pro on a bench shouldn't be completely happy, bleeding heck. I'm tired of letting players go remotely unhappy. Why not just have a continually revolving door for the lads on the bench like some sort of camp conga that doesn't want to stop.
Better roll your socks up Chambers. Probably be playing all the time.
Agreed, the guy hasn't said a bad word or bitched to the press about the lack of playing time, even though it cost him a chance to keep his WC starting spot. Id prefer if he didn't go to man utd because I still think he's better than any of their poor selection of CBs. But it seems Van Gaal rates him and he looks almost certain to go that way.
Think we'll replace him but only with a versatile signing. Either a player that plays CB and RB or a holding midfield player that can drop back to CB, like Song or Mascherano. Apparently Carvalho can do that.
Obviously no way we should sell him (or anyone) to Utd. Should go without saying. If he's off he'll find a team overseas hopefully. Neither do we want any of that shite at Utd coming the other way. They don't have anyone we need, except the last guy we sold them.
Don't need him either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Small chatter that Wenger says no deal to a Utd move and that may open door to Barca coming in for him.....if he goes we need someone new in....have heard we could rival Utd for Hummels signature and even though we have the fritz factor I can't see that being a move that would create harmony with the existing starters! Neither of them would want to go to bench and you don't bring 30 mil of talent in to do that either!!!
Hummels would be cool. If you're light in a certain position, might as well aim as high as you can.
Off to Barca? On Sky Sports "Live Transfer updates", Barca have bid 10mill for Tommy V.
Best for all parties as long as we sign in a replacement. Can't go into the new season with the green Chambers as third choice.
Yep, pretty much how I feel, we def need to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Straight swap for Billong Song then? :run:
Yep, sad to lose him but quite happy he's leaving the country completely and not ending up in Manchester. Our immediate job now is to replace him adequately.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Another captain bites the dust. He worked for the team, kept his mouth shut and got on with it when he lost his starting place, and we won't be seeing him in that monstrosity Utd call a kit. So good luck to him in Spain. Who will be captain now? Rooney? Yet another decision for the genius van Gaal to make.
In a move that show the world his true brilliance, he'll name himself Captain.
Hummels!? :lol: Wenger will never pay what it costs to get him. I know he signed EERRzill but Hummel's isn't going to lead the assist charts and I'm a big fan of his.
Frankly....if we can't get a replacement of equal standing for 10 mill then why let Vermaelen leave for that amount anyway...
Well we can't really rely on Vermaelen being there as third choice based on past history, so why keep him?
I have no problems with this transfer whatsoever although it is funny that Barca spend years and years delaying on signing a centreback and the one they opt for turns out to be Vermaelen. :lol:
On the basis of a sketchy injury history and woes we might say why keep, Theo, Diaby, Wilshere, Gibbs or Rosicky.
Actually they signed one (a seasoned pro) already from a Spanish club who's name I forget so Vermaelen would be at least their second this summer.
I'm assuming he's not going to bring in 2 players now even if Vermaelen leaves...but the internet heroes suggest we're planning one a £20m+ move. If that's the case I think Arsenal should accept the bid and put the £10m into the fund to buy a top defensive mid that could drop back for CB cover, in a similar way we used Song.
If Wenger wants a proper CM that can't fill in at CB (like Khedira) then he has got to get an experienced CB for back up. I'm fine with Chambers as the back up CB and then another makeshift option like Carvalho. Unless you're Chelsea or Man City you can't have established quality everywhere. Man Utd won the title a couple of years back with similar inexperienced back-ups at CB. If Wenger thinks Chambers is ready then go all out for the midfield signing. Just don't gamble on the shitty £3m Squillaci moves because that does no-one any favours.
And to think Chamber is the England U19 Captain..... I know it won't be for much longer but still. Incredible rise really and he may yet start the season. Good old arse...
I'm not talking about them though. Although if I were we have many options for midfield in contrast to defence, where we have had Vermaelen and that's predicating on the rare occasions he is there. Plus take in to account the want of the player to leave for regular football and then compare that to another season where he'll be thinking he's mainly going to be on the bench; it's probably only going to help demotivate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Also, on Mathieu, he's mainly a full back. He can play centreback but only really in the same way Mascherano can.
We are being linked with Agger now, not totally sure an injury prone CB is the way to go. I am surprised we didn't go for Hangerland only because he was free and has PL experience to go with Chambers and that would be the four. Then we could have used the money to push the boat for the defensive midfielder. When TV leaves I cant see us signing a big name CB unless they were to become first choice as I think defensively it makes less sense to rotate as they need to build up an understanding with the keeper and each other something Kos and Mert have done well. Either bring in another young CB or a very experienced CB (Rio wouldn't have been the worst signing either)
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Originally Posted by Bumble
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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Barca are making some strange signings, Luiz for a ridiculous amount (he has talent but he's not been that great and isn't worth the money they paid), Mathieu a 30 year old for 16 million and now it seems Vermaelen a guy who let's face it hasn't pulled out any trees and has been a bit of a liability at time.
They'd have been better off putting that money together and signing a top class centre half.
Luiz went to PSG didn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
My mistake, thought he went to Barca for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Point still stands though, the two defenders aren't exactly long term top class options.
Agger is essentially Vermaelen MKII, a crock who has been on the slide for a few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I think Agger would be a bad move, our new number 3 needs to be someone reliable and someone who will really push our current CB's. Whoever we get is likely to play a fair few games.
We've been lucky with Kos and Merts, if either of them pick up a long term injury then we are up "shit creek" without a paddle right now.
CB and CM are two positions that need immediate attention IMO.
We should just keep Vermaelen.
Play him defensive mid.
Yeah I rather we kept him but it sounds like he definitely wants out. I am just glad we are not entertaining the idea of him going to United, rumour is we have refused to do business with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Damn right! That should be the official stance when it comes to selling our players.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I think we need to learn how to rotate our players or we'll keep crossing this road. But I hope we convince him to stay another season because I have a feeling Kos and Merts won't feature like they did last season. They've both had long seasons and we're lucky last year with injuries.
I think I'd rather keep him as well then let him walk next year. Though it's good we have the opportunity to sell to Barca rather than United now.