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Pathetic. (Arsenal, not the match reaction thread)
To quote FakeYank's sig again
Arsene Wenger, paid £8m a year to sit on his fuckin arse
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Mikel Arteta's game by numbers:
0 chances created
0 tackles won
0 aerial duels won
0 shots
0 crosses
No surprise really,these pathetic performances are an annual thing,now Wenger please f--k --f.
About time someone created a thread.
4 goals in 3 games for Theo Walcott. :coffee:
Poor showing and the manager is at fault for the team selection. All the players he selected let him down big time. Giroud, Gibbs, Debuchy, Arteta...all played a massive part in costing us. But it's down to Wenger for his silly selection.
And so begins another pointless jolly up for us in this competition.
Oh well.
Although this time I don't think we'll make it out of the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Awful result a decent team would have put them to the sword, we're massively overrated.
Manager getting his comeuppance for his incompetence and neglect of the team at last.
Yeah we'll get to the last 16 and get beaten again as usual, we've got nowhere to go with him in charge, joke of a manager these days.
Honestly. Does anyone really care any more? THIS is the legacy of a manager, a team that has made no substantive progress for 10 years. Fans of other teams regard us as spoilt because they would love the relative success that we enjoy, but tell me - prize money aside is the sprinter who came 4th in the 100m final really any more inspiring to sports fans than the athlete who finishes in last place?:Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
Nice to see you still on here, my friend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It's us. We'll find a way to worm our way out.Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
We'll probably end up taking 4 points off Bayern or something.
Thanks IBK :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Let's be honest other than Bayern the teams in this group are rubbish, we'll come 2nd as we should, but we've shown we're not serious challengers for any of the big prizes, we never are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
'What is Gibbs doing at the near post' - vid
https://twitter.com/Memz_Dogi/status/644263627101458432
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It felt like a Capital One Cup game from the beginning. What happens doesn't really matter anymore. The only two games I am sadistically looking forward to are the Bayern games, just for the occasion. Just keep Ozil away from the penalty spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
More to the point - look how big that guy's bird's :titsup: are!Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
M E H !
Just for the occasion says it all. I don't know any Gooners who are anything other than apologetic about this team's potential to drop points in every single game we play these days. Sad stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Let's wait until the end of Wenger's next contract before judging his performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Even though this result isn't the end of the world...it's the first game (Letters will agree here) but this is the sort of thing that shows Wenger just can't help himself. Just as we start to build confidence off the back of two wins, just as we start creating chances and maybe have an alternative option up front, just as we head into an important game at the Bridge, he pulls this stunt. :lol: Kills our momentum and we go into that game with our heads down feeling shaky and nervy and Chelsea will feel more confident after their win at home and know we've lost. I don't know what's wrong him. I really don't.
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Originally Posted by Özim
Tbf Wenger had to rotate a bit with the busy schedule ahead. Does he really have to do all six at the same time though? In the opening Champions league game?
Keepers don't even need a rest. Give Ospina the two domestic cups, don't fuck around in the Champions league.
Madness.
I think all of the squadies let themselves down. Gibbs was actually having a decent game but he closed his eyes and ducked out of the header for the second. The rest of them were terrible.
Its not even the result that the issue, mate - its once again being reminded in no uncertain terms of the fundamental/irremediable flaws in Wenger's team; philosophy and tactical approach. And you said it - losing at Stamford Bridge is not a mathematical certainty, but the truth is that it was a distinct possibilty, maybe even a probability, even at 7.45 this evening!Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Not by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Can't believe Wenger sold "og" to Zagreb though :doh:
No not by me and rightly so because as has been shown we always fall short, we're not capable of challenging for the big prizes, we neither have the quality nor the ambition to bring the quality in, it's never going to change until we get a manager who is willing to put his money where his mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I didn't see the game as it was on at 2:45am or some silly hour here. It was a bad result but, given it's a mini-league, not a disaster. I think we'll quality from the group.
Nice WUMming above but what I said (and it's obviously true) is that Wenger should be judged at the end of the season. That's true of any manager at any club in any season.
At the end of last season we finished 3rd and won the Cup. Not many managers would have been sacked after a season like that.
Our failure to compete for the league was a disappointment and Wenger's failure to sign a striker is looking like it will cost us.
Personally I think Saturday's game will be more revealing about our prospects than last night. Midweek results notwithstanding, Chelsea are on the ropes and we have a chance to finish them off.
I don't think we will but if we could win there it would show something about this team. Even a draw would be an improvement on our usual result there and whatever their results this season a point there is a #decent result. If we lose then yeah, same old Arsenal...
You'd have to watch the game and look at the team selection. It's not about the one bad result or the one great game over a big opponent. Or even about silverware where we think we've finally got that monkey off our back and should be able to push on. Your flaw is in thinking Saturday's result will be more revealing. There is always some landmark moment which is supposed to mark our growth and reveal more about the team as of tonight's performance and actions should be enough revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I said this during the City win last year. It means nothing if we're repeating the same tactical/philosophical mistakes. You can't simply look at the results. Judge by actions and it's clear Wenger isn't learning or changing.
When the weather gets a bit colder Wenger will start wearing his coat again. That's the only change we're going to see around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Said before the game:
Said during the game:Quote:
Gambling with the first game. Not taking the opposition seriously. I hope the total transformation of the team for no good reason and the arrogance pays out. Is Cech tired or something? Coquelin can't play - why? Monreal? Ox will need to have a good game to stop this being a fiesta of plodding.
Said after the game:Quote:
Bif needs to sort his head out or he's getting a red and we'll have lost the opening game.
And I was pissed the whole time.Quote:
Wenger OUT!
Just goes to show what watching the same thing over and over again for 10 years can teach you. Unless you are WUMger, this will all be new and surprising for him.
Ultimately that's all you need to look at. Sure, Wenger has flaws but so will the next guy. Quite possibly more serious ones given how some of the people mooted as possible replacements have got on in the last couple of seasons. For all his flaws he's won us a couple of trophies in the last 2 years, IMO that buys him some time and he deserves a chance to push on for the biggest prizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I do think Saturday's result is important because despite their start I expect Chelsea to be 'up there' come May. In all the seasons I've seen us win the title we've got good results away at our rivals.
You contradict yourself because the other week you said people were moaning because the result didn't go our way. You said people couldn't separate results from performance. Sure. Now you're saying the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You're not consistent with your arguments and looks like you'll defend Wenger and make an excuse for him regardless and that's why you get so much flak on here.
You say Saturday is the more important result but just be honest. We could get trounced 10 nil and you'd be back looking for the next landmark. Our next game at Utd or you'll be here applauding our next 10 game unbeaten run.
I'm not saying the opposite at all :rolleyes:
Ultimately results are the main thing, obviously. What I was saying before is people seem to be moaning right now whatever we do.
People were moaning about the result on the opening day - understandably so.
But then when we won games, somewhat scrappily, they then moaned about the performance.
I get so much flak on here because almost no-one else seems to think that logically and a lot tend to resort to WUMming or abuse when they can't engage with my position which is constantly caricatured - a key example being your last paragraph. A lazy response would be "and if we win 3-1 you'll just moan we conceded a goal and that shows our defence isn't good enough to win the title".
I've said consistently we need to compete for the biggest prizes this season. I've said consistently how important I see the Chelsea game being. I won't cut myself if we lose but it would be the biggest indication yet that we're not good enough to complete. Until now there have been doubts but only City have started significantly better than us so I don't see any need to throw in the towel right now as lots seem to have.
No, people were moaning about the performance as well as the result. Do you even see what your doing? Contradiction is logical, Letters.
Yeah, yeah and the big money cheats have more resources than us and all that. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You ignore huge chunks of what I've written so you don't have to address it.
The only thing am really angry and annoyed about is i didn't go down to the bookies, to place a bet on arsenal losing a game they seemingly should win .....lost money
There's financial gains to be had from arsenal's comedy club, but i'm worried even the bookies are catching on to this and shortening the odds
I hope you appreciate the irony of you saying that while completely changing the subject and ignoring my entire post :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
No words for last nights abomination. We are the pits in CL and are now more frequently getting turned over in it by supposed lesser teams.
All I hear coming out of Wenger's mouth are "empty promises", it's mentally tiring.
On the plus side we matched the results of the two big spending Manchester clubs.
:doh: You've done it again. There is no debating with you because despite people saying they are unhappy with the performances and results at the end of each season, you don't address it. I can't really respond to someone that contradicts themselves and then thinks their position is the most logical on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Frankly couldn't give a damn about last night, would it really be the end of the world if we didn't qualify from the group (which I think we will even though we always lose to both Bayern and Olympiakos).
I'm glad we rotated, I don't want the excuse of saying we were a little bit tired from the game on Wednesday against Chelsea, if we lose now there are no excuses no hiding places
I think it's too early to judge if the response is ironic or if some or all of your post has been ignored. PnG could go on a run of 10 consecutive non-ironic, comprehensively attentive posts. We should wait to judge him at the end of the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters