Wenger out.
Anyone left to defend him?
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Wenger out.
Anyone left to defend him?
Well, we're level on points at the top of the table so I don't think there's much to defend him against.
I can't believe we weren't fired up for this game from the off.
It's the north London derby, FFS. Start strong and it gives us every chance to get 3 points.
A draw was overdue and can't complain with a point after being outplayed for most of the game. At least we didn't fold under the cosh and found a way back into the game. Well played in that regard.
Bayern game knackered us mentally and physically and a point will go a long way to steadying the ship again.
Lucky, lucky Wenger gets out of jail once again, is he the luckiest manager in the history of football?
First week of Nov and the first team already left to bare bones, Wumger out. :coffee:
Absolute shit and the Spuds still screw it up.
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Only Wenger plies his players with Prozac before a NLD
We should be several points clear. We have some great players and a manager who doesn't have the first clue tactically. Our players are that good they can drag the manager's arse along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But imagine. What if we had a decent manager? :cloud9:
This isn't exactly a 'match reaction'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We were poor today but we really should have put them away because even though were were badly outplayed, when the good chances came our way we were badly let down by Giroud.
Tottenham have a glass jaw - when we equalised we should have finished the job.
Why do you think the Bayern game tires us out, we were outclassed and didn't put in much of a shift? Spurs played a day later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
A real stinker of a performance, I'm not sure we constructed a single decent passage of play. We never got going at all, Spurs will be gutted they didn't bury us.
Despite the non-performance, we still had chances via some hopeful crosses and Giroud should hang his head in shame for not sticking at least 1 of them away.
We got away with this one and in the grand scheme of things haven't harmed ourselves too much. Lets just hope we get some players back after the break and we can get going again.
Considering the shocking performance I think there is, only luck meant he ended up with a draw, Spurs played us off the park and we were at home, we were absolutely awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Chasing the ball for most of the game. It also shot our confidence as these beatings tend to do. We were poor today but dug out a point. I can live with that. What else would you like me to do right now, in this instant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Originally Posted by Özim
Cheer up, we might lose the next one.
Disappointing performance and result, we needed to win this to lay down a marker and go top. Making spuds look this good on our patch is unforgivable in my opinion, we had no fight or real desire for large parts of the game.
We HAD to take advantage of City dropping points, we didn't. No one is going to hand this title to us, we have to terrorise teams like Spurs at home and thug it by hook or by crook.
You're probably right with such an average manager, it's a good thing for him he's blessed with good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
First-choice players dead, Giroud, Alexis, Cazorla not on their game, Campbell crap. A decent result therefore on the day, but even with the poor performance, we had more than enough chances to win it. It's all on Giroud today sadly. He had three clear chances which should all have been goals and would have had handed Ozil four assists.
Debuchy actually did well today, but the lack of threat he and Campbell provide is so obvious.
Very good games from Cech, Coquelin and Ozil again. Alexis needs to find some form though. Giroud is Giroud, so no point complaining about his inconsistency.
We really need Ramsey, Bellerin and Theo back. And we really need not to lose anyone fucking else.
Thankfully Ozil has a two week break. Alexis will probably be run into the ground by Chile. That guy needs a rest.
It is, because he's why we didn't win this game and he's why we aren't winning the title. I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth with him now. This will likely be the easiest title to win in years and he's going to blow it. There's no doubt about it. If there's a way to fuck something up Wenger will find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
Going into this game he'd already seen how shambolic that right side was, but he went and did it all over. A fool could have figured it out but Wenger doesn't even rate as a fool when it comes to tactics.
He also saw how ineffective Bif was when he doesn't have pace around him stretching the play. Bif can't make his own moves. He's like a fucking statue. Must be the easiest player to mark in the league. So Wenger goes with him again.
The he drags Santi off the pitch. Yes, he was getting killed in the middle, so we had Flamini and Arteta and we could have moved Santi wide and sacrificed the useless Bif. But Wenger fucks it again.
I'm telling you. As hard as it is to believe, this guy has somehow got through the last 30 years without 101 tactics under his belt. He even admits it. He leaves that boring, non-financial shit up to the players.
Any other manager, pick one from anywhere, would have got us the 3 points today. Because we made the spuds look good by setting up to accommodate them in every way.
Anyway, I said this before the game so it's not hindsight. Either I am very lucky at predicting stuff or... I have been watching this for the last decade and have twigged.
Problem is, Wenger hasn't.
No title for us. Not a prayer.
OK, after the Liverpool game we were 5 points off the top, LDG said we'd be 10 points off in the next 4 games and it would be challenge over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You replied
And now you're saying we should be several points clear? :blink:Quote:
Definitely and you don't even need to look at the points tally to know it. Just look at the formation, the tactics, the team selections, the subs. Same old shit.
We need new players at Xmas. This squad cant win the EPL
It's typical us, when we have a chance of going clear after a rival drops points we blow it, we've done this time and time again nothing changes, when the pressure is on we blow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
If we had played to our potential an won today. thats exactly what we would be. 2 points clear. Is that difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Nah. Being humiliated and laughed at doesn't affect morale and confidence. The Bayern mauling was meaningless. A good team is going to get absolutely humiliated from time to time. Just look at what Bayern did to FC Wetherstones. Nothing to see here. Move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
It isn't the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The one constant is the Manager.
I said we have some great players. They have done remarkably well considering who we have in charge. But I don't back them, despite their efforts, to overcome the handicap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
If you have pitched up to start making excuses for us being outplayed on our own patch by our fiercest rivals then fine, do your thing. But stop trawling the search engine to try to justify your apologetic bullshit.
Look. We are miles ahead of the chavs. This means we are going to win the title and everything else can be ignored. Don't you get that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
What can you do? There are no strikers available anywhere in the world who are better than him.Quote:
It's all on Giroud today sadly. He had three clear chances which should all have been goals and would have had handed Ozil four assists.
How do I know this for a fact?
Wenger said.
Everyone with a brain could have predicted this considering the amount of crocks we insist on carrying, we needed to sign players in the summer (except for the manager of course). Would be good to get players in January but we all know we won't, if by some miracle we do it'll be some unknown or some crock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
I'm always happy to ensure we don't lose against spuds. I saw the second half and enjoyed the end-to-end stuff that typically only occurs in the NLD. None of this cagey bullshit just two teams going mental. Nice.
Always makes me chuckle to see the Wenger bashing here, I've watched this forum slide over the past ten years (possibly even longer?) from Wenger love to arguments and now full on fucking anti-Wenger insanity. "His players carry him because he is tactically weak" implying that football is only about tactics. Oh and extra points to the person who seemed to insinuate that the only reason we could win the league is because of Chelsea imploding. I wonder if he wins the league this season if he'll get any credit. I'd wager he won't get any credit from this place at least.
I just don't see the point, every single one of us _knows_ that Wenger has this job for life.... so why spend the next five years or whatever crying about it? We might as well accept the fact and just laugh at the fact that he doesn't do tactics, crying won't change anything. He might be a shit tactician but he's _our_ shit tactician.
I'd imagine a lot of you would have trouble supporting a lower league team with all the entitlement.
Back to the match though, whoever said it about Giroud was right. We had the chances to win the game and Giroud missed like three six yard headers? Shame but it happens in football, hopefully he'll be better in the next game.
Just glad we didn't lose. Not sure why Campbell a date Sanchez aren't swapping wings when things aren't working. But saying that, Giroud wasn't going to score today.
How was Campbell overall? I saw him do both good things and bad things in the second half. Did he play versus Bayern and was he any good there? Do we think he'll stay in the team after these performances?
At best he's a squad player. People got very excited because he scored last week but ultimately he just plugs a hole in the team for now. Barring injuries, he won't play much at all and will be shipped on and forgotten about.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
It's a fair point. The manager is going to be here regardless. Very frustrating though. Because with a decent manager (in terms of what happens on the pitch because he can't be faulted for the other stuff) we'd be able to take much better advantage of what is actually a decent squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
For any other club at the top level I'd say true, you take the rough with the smooth. But of course those clubs have actually challenged and won. PL title, CL. We have the FA Cup. A good day out but let's not kid ourselves. Is it entitled for the fans of a club like Arsenal to expect to be competing on all fronts? A lot of money sloshing around the place, all from the fans' pockets ultimately.
I used to watch Preston in the 4th. Nearest club at the time. Loved it. I'll tell you, Preston vs Burnley was every bit as passionate as the NLD. Went every other week and even travelled away from time to time. It's not the same as supporting a billionaire club though is it? Or is any sort of expectation an "entitlement?"
This manager should be doing better with the resources available to him. Yes, we're equal top so it sounds ludicrous to criticise. However, when you have seen it all before and know where the axe is going to fall and how, you can maybe be forgiven for complaining about that.
Thanks for the review. To be honest I'm rather glad that he at the very least qualifies as a squad player, with the injuries we have it gives him a position to work from and by the the time Walcott/Oxo are back we'll know if he's kicked on enough. Still sounds like he's got a lot of work to do though. I haven't been paying much attention this season, who are we waiting for to come back from injury to replace him? I said Walcott didn't I but I think he's been playing upfront more recently?
Eager but out of his depth and badly handicapped by the players around him. He's a decent backup, not a first team player. His ambition outstrips his ability at the moment and this nativity causes problems because he ultimately loses the ball or allows the opposition the time to regroup when we could otherwise exploit them with a quick and accurate pass or a decent cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
Ox will walk in ahead of him. Ramsey will walk in ahead of Ox. Campbell is a long way back and if a way can be found to keep him here as 3rd choice then that's a good outcome for us. Not sure it's a good outcome for him though because he could be getting a lot more game time further down the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
Probably true, but you could say that about most games we play. We've won 5 games in the league on the bounce, you're not going to win every game and whisper it quietly but Spurs were pretty good today. They're actually a better side than I've given them credit for, they've have only lost once all season in the league and they've already beaten City. It wasn't a good performance today but we got a point and while obviously I hoped we'd win given our performance a point isn't a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Most of the people bemoaning the fact we're not 2 points clear were saying we wouldn't be challenging at all this season. We are so far, long may it continue.
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Originally Posted by Özim
Yeah, we're level on points with City after 12 games, 9 points ahead of where we were at this time last year, because of luck.
Obviously you're WUMming, but that's the sort of logic I used to employ when I was 8 and my friend was better than me at various computer games "meh, he's just lucky". Looking back...yeah, he was just better than I gave him credit for.