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He'll be like a new signing.
Classic Wenger signing, cheap, under the radar and a development job. Dont know anything about him apart from the fact he has CL experience with Basle.
On BBC now, this has got to be a joke? Oh no wait this is Wenger we're talking about, the king of joke signings, typical cheap nobody Wenger considers to be super super quality.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35187793
Why are we surprised! Le Boss is some sort of idiot! Oh well, one more season to go!Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Originally Posted by Özim
We need proven players especially at this stage in the season.
Title is there to be won, but it'll probably mirror our 13/14 jan window when we got Broken Back Kallstrom
Well if he comes, welcome. Hopefully he does well for the team.
Yeah. Welcome to whatever club he gets loaned to.
Federer recommended him, probably.
He must be good as they beat Chelsea.....once :coffee:
#wengerout
Is this a thread parodying a subsection of the neurotic, depressive and obnoxious Arsenal fanbase?
I can't tell anymore.
I hope Elneny is just as shit as fellow unglamorous, non-galactico, unhypy signings like Koscielny, Monreal and Gabriel.
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Originally Posted by Kano
Dreadful post.
I hope he is ready to contribute now and at a high level because that is the kind of signing we need now, our first Choice midfield is done for the season and by the sounds of it Wilshere is a long way away from being ready to contribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Now is the time where we do really need top quality and I hope El Neny is that.
This signing smacks of a Wenger "Vanity Project" to me, basically the cheapest option out there. I'm not against these signings to fill up the squad but hoped we could of got somewhere of a higher quality.
Sorry. Hope he dies in a car crash with Wenger and his mistress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
It's been a while since we had a new CM option, never heard of this guy but it's the right position we need to be looking to strengthen at least.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
:doh: at those people thinking we can realistically bring in a Javi Martinez superstar type DM this window.
Javi Martinez is obviously unrealistic but I would have felt a bit more comfortable with someone like Lars Bender, Christopher Kramer, William Carvalho or even Ruben Neves, heck I would have been happy with Yuri Tielemans who I think is a great young talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Of course quality isn't always linked to price but sometimes paying that extra for a more established player is necessary, especially given our current predicament.
Elneny I'm sure will be a solid signing, Wenger has potential to work with, from the little I've seen of him he looks a solid player, not really DM, more box to box and quite a technical player.
I just hope he is ready to contribute now because the likes of Caz, Coq & Wilshere are done for the season IMO.
Something is always better than nothing . If you are a fan who complains about everything and are never satisfied with anything , even if Arsenal were to sign Messi you would have found an excuse to show your disappointment such as :" we should have gone for him when he was 20..."
Mohamed Elneny is a very ambitious player . A good tackler . A good passer . He can shoot with incredible accuracy from a very long range . Very good at set-pieces .
He is not a world class yet but very good player . What can we ask for at the moment when we only have Flamini , Arteta and Rosicky ?
We wouldn't be signing him for 5 million of he were anything close to world class so I'm not expecting him to move mountains.
Frankly, bodies have been dropping with such frequency, I'm glad just to get the numbers back up. He isn't a signing I can get excited about as I know nothing of him but if he is genuinely of a standard to make a difference then all power to it.
As soon as Coquelin and Sanchez are back they should be under 24 hour surveillance if we really hope to achieve anything this season. Throw Ozil in there too.
The thing is though Selassie, with the possible exception of Kramer (maybe Leverkesen wouldn't sell given Bender's injuries??) I don't think any of those players could do any better for us right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Sure Lars Bender on his day has the potential to be one of the world's best and there's a good reason why we went in for him a couple of seasons ago, but since then he's been perpetually plagued by injuries. And that's the last thing we really need - an injured ridden crock who we can't depend on.
William Carvalho? The only reason his name appears at all in these lists is because his agent and club have been shamlessly whoring him around Europe for a couple of windows now. The fact that no one taken the bait should indicate that he may not be as good as he's been hyped up to be and in the CL games I saw of him last season, he was pretty dogshit.
Waynama's a beast defensively but can't pass the ball to save his life and won't fit into any top team that wan't to play progressive offensive passing football (i.e. - Any top club not managed by Mourinho).
Xhahka was the other one I kind of liked initially, but after reading some reports on him he's a hothead who's got no self-control when it comes to picking up red cards. No thank you, we've already got Flamini.
Neves & Tielemans seem promising but they're too young to be able to contribute immediately to our title challenge. Beside we've already got Bielek coming through who fills that void.
When it comes to defensive minded players Selassie, our best ones are those unheralded and unglamourous players that MS talks about, who are hard workers and professionals, who have done well at a slightly lower level and are ready to step up. See, Koscienly, Gabriel, Monreal, Coquelin etc etc.
Sure I'm not as excited as I was when we signed the likes of Ozil and Alexis, about the (seemingly) imminent transfer of Elmney but I'm pretty satisfied that we're at least addressing a clear problem in our squad with some decent quality and early (by our standards) at that as well.
Decent quality? The guy plays in the Swiss league and noone knows a thing about him, I wouldn't class him as decent quality on that basis.
The players that Selassie mentions are by in large better players and in some cases top players, so why wouldn't you want these?
To me this is a typical Wenger signing, sure some workout but plenty of them don't and the fact he's willing to take a punt on untested relative nobodies tells you everythin you need to know about him, he's a guy that prefers to take chances to save a few pennies rather than spending more on proven talent thus reducing the chances of them not being up to scratch.
>Explains why he's not a fan of most of the players Selassie lists in his postQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
>Then gets asked this
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And I don't know why you sniff your nose at buying from Basle. The likes of Chelsea and Bayern have bought from their recently.
Yeah but they signed their two stand out players, not a player who clearly isn't head and shoulders above the rest, everyone knew those players.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
You said "their"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
50/50 coin toss at best with this guy. Cheap stopgap until the established players return (if ever). Might be a Coquelin, might be a ______ (fill in one of a hundred duds). Wenger will claim it's difficult to better in the January window. It would therefore be legitimate to ask him, if he knew January was a problem, why didn't he act in the summer? So no valid excuses for the cheapskate. Would be lovely to be in a position where Coquelin had to fight for his place back because we had equally decent or better cover. As it is, he'll walk back in. Would be nice to get a striker who could convert a larger percentage of the squillion chances Ozil is creating. But we won't get that either. Give him credit for the nobrainer signing of Cech, but he has to be criticised for always leaving us short despite the fact he's well aware of the perpetual injury crisis at the club. Back to ElWhoever, he has to be of higher quality than Sanogo I suppose. Should fans be dismissive of new signings? It's not that really. It'd be great if this kid comes good and can provide some benefit to the squad. But some of us are way too used to Wenger's bullshit to get excited.
Surely we all want that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Kramer was a no brainier, no idea why we didn't go in for him, most likely a price issue. Fair point on Bender, though from what I understand he's only been really crocked this season and is due back fairly soon. He's an immense player on his day and one who I think we would develop into a world class DM, his ceiling is a lot higher than Elneny IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Carvalho looks a really good talent to me, he's overhyped sure, but he has a lot of potential IMO, not many DM's in Europe putting in consistent performances like him irrespective of their age, his only downside is lack of CL experience.
I agree re: Wanyama, not that high on him.
Xhaka I agree with too, he is technically excellent but rash in the tackle, he's not what we need and would come at a high price, in some ways Elneny is like a cheap version of him, though not quite as good a passer but more controlled in his tackling.
I dunno, if you are good enough you are old enough! I personally think Neves & Tielemans could contribute now, both have done very well in CL, Neves especially looks like a future world class player, he will go for big money soon IMO. Bielik isn't comparable right now, he's not ready for our first team squad, he's miles away.
Im not for one minute saying Elneny is a poor signing, I just wish we could be a bit more ambitious in the market & go for the best available talent instead of comprising and going for the cheap options.
I know very little about this guy. Then again I have seen either very little or nothing at all of just about every other name mentioned in this thread. Much like those being particularly disparaging of the guy, I would imagine. Call it a hunch.
We need someone, whether it's this guy or another.
Okay so I'm opening up a can of youtube......too many names of blokes you lot may as well have made up for all I know.
So this Tielemans...21 seconds into the scout nation vt....it says aged 17, 5'9 and weaknesses: Tackling. I know I am simply cherry picking the downers but this is not a good start! :d
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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Tielemans isn't a DM, mind you Elneny isn't either. Tielemans is more of a deep lying playmaker, box to box at a push. He's a major talent though and one worth pursuing now before he goes for serious money. Tackling is probably one of his weak points but that can be developed as he's quite strong for someone so small and still very much in development phase, he's ready now though IMO.
I'd have rather we signed someone more established and well known than this guy, we do this all to often signing players like this and sometimes it works out but plenty of times it doesn't.
We've got plenty of money and yet we're always so cheap, Wenger spent all summer signing just a keeper and yet this is the best he can come up with in the transfer window, how disappointing.
I'm not having the BS about we need a midfielder so let's buy any old cr*p excuse, it seems to me that we could sign a sheep with two legs and some people would still try to tell us how it's exactly what we need and how it's better than signing Messi or Neymar.
As for this being the best we can find in January, what the hell were we doing all of last summer then, the excuses really don't wash anymore with regards transfers.
This guy if he does come good will take 1+ seasons to get use to the league IMO, just like all the others before him and in the end we'll pay the price for being cheap. Moreover where's the striker we desperately need?
Central Mid and Fullbacks are the two positions to me, where you can find good players at a bargain price. Seems to have the necessary technical abilities. Hopefully he's up for the physicality and pace of the game in England.
Sounds like this one is all but done then? Nice that it's getting done early for once - we need it!
Can't say I've seen anything of this guy other than YT clips, but he sounds like he could be a smart buy? From what I've read, he sits somewhere between a DM and a holding midfielder (ideal, as we're currently without our two!), although he's sometimes talked of as a box-to-box player because of his stamina and tireless running? He's mostly deployed as the deepest midfielder for club and country though, so I would expect that he's being bought with a defensive role in mind? But even if I'm wrong on that, it sounds like he has all the attributes to be a solid DM at this level.
One big plus for me is that it sounds like we're buying a good personality and mentality again - something that we've not always done in recent years. The lad sounds really eager and humble, with a great work ethic and team mentality, and everyone who's worked with him has nothing but positives to say. It also sounds like another purchase that's being informed by this statistical analysis whathaveyou that the club purchased, so his numbers are going to be good: good tackler and interceptor, covers an insane amount of ground per game, very high pass percentage from deep (both short and long), is starting to score fairly frequently from range, etc. Very clean / fair player too, who doesn't give away a lot of fouls. Weakness is possibly his dribbling ability, but that's arguably something we don't want to see our DMs attempting too much of anyway? Arial usefulness is unknown - need to look into that - but I can't imagine he's any worse in that department than Coquelin, and he's got to be better than Cazorla?
Experience in the Swiss league doesn't really tell us much (although winning it 3 years straight won't have done him any harm), but he has a lot of European and international experience under his belt, so that might tell us more about his level.
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On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be the first move in a bit of a midfield rebuild over the next couple of windows? Very easy to believe some of the recent talk that this could be the last season for Arteta, Rosicky and Flamini, and Wenger is starting to sound a little exasperated with the vague, never-ending nature of Wilshere's fitness problems? I don't think he's completely sold on Ramsey playing in a midfield 2, and Cazorla has just done his knee at 31 - doesn't necessarily mean he's finished by any stretch, but it's maybe a sign that we shouldn't be heaping 50+ games a season on his shoulders from now on? Could be wrong, but I can see several CM 'outs' and maybe another 'in' before the start of next season...
That's a great read and sounds very promising. I've said it before, Elneny sounds like a classic "Wenger" signing, a young under the radar midfielder with heaps of potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
I'm looking forward to him hopefully contributing this season, should be interesting to see how he gets on.
I'm happy to give Wenger and the club the benefit of the doubt on this one - DM is one of the positions where I'm more happy to go for someone a little more unknown, and my confidence in our scouting and recruitment team has largely been restored over the last couple of years: whether we've added a big name, a relative unknown, or gone for an internal solution like Coq and Bellerin, we've generally been getting it right lately...Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-basel-medical
Passed his medical apparently and waiting on a work permit. Bench for Newcastle?
Have we completed yet another uninspiring and underwhelming.... oh, and our only signing for the January transfer window yet?
"We are not close."
"I must tell you, you know more than me."
"We do not know this player."
"But we are looking, yes."