Same as last year
Wenker out
Shit all over
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Same as last year
Wenker out
Shit all over
A fairly predictable result, both sides had their moments. They looked like the fitter team but I guess that isn't a surprise given how integral pressing is to their game.
Can't help but feel disappointed having gone 3 seasons now without beating them at home. In all fairness though there isn't a great deal to separate the teams, they're a decent side and so are we.
Horrible trip to Old Trafford next up, wonder if we'll turn up this time.
I knew we would not win, I could have guaranteed it.
We will not win the PL again under Wenger but then we all knew that anyway.
Every year its predictable.
Why we gave up Campbell and kept someone as useless as ox is f'n crazy. Iwobi was shocking too but it was bound to happen
Unbeaten November. :bow:
Would've loved a win but a draw is acceptable.
Iwobi looks like he's been pushed into the first team too soon, and those goals he scored in March/April were false dawnsQuote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I think the Ox at his best is many times better than Campbell it's just that we are seldom seeing that best and i think his time at the club is running out.
Enough of Wenger's tired old shit and his choking, pampered teams. We needed players to get stuck in there and drag out a result but we never looked like doing it. Fortunate own goal, a stream of awful efforts on goal and then an engineered equaliser from one of the most cynical, anti-footballing teams you are likely to see all season. We've seen it before. Over and over. Enough now. Proper manager needed who can get the performances out of this team that will lead to the points that will lead to the rewards.
He's a good player but as usual Wenger thinks he can approach every game in the same way and ask the same of every player regardless of the opposition or the occasion. Hardly surprising Iwobi was a bit overwhelmed today. But not nearly as overwhelmed as Xhaka and Mustafi. Those two guys will have a hard time peeling their shit stained underwear off, that's for sure. 60mill? Not today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
In fairness they drew a lot of errors out of us. Everything we did felt so rushed, I guess that's why they've become a very difficult team to play against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Mustafi was all over the place today.
Tactically second best again but that's no surprise is it.As for Ox he needs to go somewhere else.
Nothing will change with the dinosaur in charge. He sees every team and every game the same way. players need to be taught what to watch out for. Tottenham are a cynical team, ritational fouling and cynical time wasting dives. If a player comes charging into the box from midfield, you foul him long before he gets into the box. No we just play our beautiful game that brings the best out of humankind. We may have to step up our cultivation of human values if Beelzebub takes over the world on tuesday.
The short passing game is always going to play into the hands of a team like Spurs, Mustafi can be quite ponderous at times i'm still not 100% convinced by him and definitely don't think he was worth what we paid for him (but then Chelsea paid 25 million for an ex Bolton player so that's the market madness for you). Xhaka wasn't the right choice for a game like this, the hope i'm guessing was that he'd win the ball back deep and be able to play a killer ball but when you've got Dier, Wardrobe Monster and Dembele clogging up the midfield like hairs in a plughole there is just no point to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Gibbs should have played instead of Monreal as he links up defence and attack better, and with three in central defence allowing their full backs to roam high up the pitch could have caught them out much better on their flanks.
That plus Iwobi is young and won't cover for Monreal
Lackluster performance. Stupid pen to give away. Kos sticking his leg out gave the spurs player the chance to fall. They wanted it more than we did. Two minutes to go and they're walking around the pitch and not getting the ball near the goal more pissy passy. A good point for them, I said I'd take a draw because I thought they were going to nick it, a draw is better than a loss, but a poor, poor performance.
The thing with constant pressing no matter how fit your players are you can only keep it up so long until the batteries run down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Homegrown Quota simple as.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Campbell's performances last year were better than anything Ox has served us this and last season. It was harsh for him to be the one to go on loan but that passport matters these days.
And Iwobi didn't have a good game but he's still a kid. We shouldn't expect or rely on him to deliver consistently just yet for us.
2 points dropped at home, probably another 2/3 points at old Trafford, slip up against PSG and the November cycle will be complete for another year.
I used to think that about Theo, but he's still here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Ox has been gash for a while, but Campbell for all his sleeves rolled up work just isn't anything great technically and you know how AW loves his silky boysQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Ox needs to attend basic finishing 101 whether he stays with us or ends up somewhere else in the future.
Ox wants to go and i don't think Walcott does,Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
I didn't know Ox wants to leave, why don't we let him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
well he said on goals on sunday recently he was willing to leave if he didn't get more game time (time that he has proved undeserving of)
He has the potential to be a good player, he should go to improve himself. Did we ever send him out on loan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
No and i think as rightly said the home grown rule aside we would have been better off sending him out on loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
Has is Campbell getting along at Sporting Lesbian?
He should go on loan in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
:wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
why on earth would we do that, we have few enough players that could play wide, unless we were going to sign someone in January that would be a no go
I'm thinking from his point of view really, I've always liked him and I wish he could reach his potential. Of course it wouldn't make any sense from the club's point of viewQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
A draw against Spurs isn't a bad result these days but it sure feels like two points dropped. We played with the handbrake on, as Wenger would say. But why do we always play with it on? Maybe Wenger doesn't know how to take it off?
Mustafi hasn't really convinced me. He has some good traits like his anticipation and tenacity but something isn't clicking between him and Koscielny. It's not one sided but Kos has proved he can play well with other partners.
The three subs did nothing. We actually played worse with Giroud and Ox on the pitch. Giroud HAD to score that chance. He's not talented enough to be forgiven for missing bread and butter chances like that. Not only that but we completely lose our pressing game (what little of one we have) when he's on the pitch strolling around like a statue in the middle of the gap between their defence and midfield. If you're going to do that then at least stand next to one of the CBs to make it a little bit harder for them to play it out of the back. Ox was awful. Lost possession a few times with a bad touch, he wasted good opportunities with a bad final ball and kept giving away needless fouls to take the pressure off Spurs. For someone who was complaining about not starting enough games recently he isn't doing much to change the manager's mind.
I couldn't care less what's best for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
He's an employee that's all
You really have to work hard to be a sub and still garner the most criticism but the Ox outdone himself. Sickening showing from him. Xhaka has obviously never headed a ball in his life the way he went at that chance which leaves me wondering what on earth he's doing in Arsenal's midfield.
Clatternburg was a dipshit, missing the blatant pen from Vertonghen pulling Alexis' shirt as well as the obvious fouls on Theo. Trying to 'let the game flow'. Preening prick.
It was a bad cameo appearance from Ox but he's the least of our worries. First team starters first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Coquelin and Xhaka aren't a good a combination. We didn't get any rash challenges from either but they did a poor job when it came to marking and pressing. It's even worse when it comes to dictating the tempo and controlling the midfield. It took us a long time to mount a decent attack and we really missed the distribution of Santi or Elneny. Spurs had more possession than us and we struggled to get the ball to our most dangerous players.
Xhaka was only able to find Ozil on 4 occasions. Sanchez 3. Walcott 3. Iwobi 5. That's really not good enough and I said it in the match thread, we've paid too much for him.
Iwobi probably needs to hit the bench. He had a poor game too. There was one moment where he could have played the ball inside to Sanchez that would have put us clean through on goal but he played it outside to Walcott who put in a tame cross. A month or two ago, Iwobi would have made that pass with ease. Maybe he has the jitters. Needs a bench but it doesn't help when you see what Ox has to offer.
A drew isn't a bad result. Poor penalty to give away. Coquelin should have done better to take the foul before that ever happened and Kos should have done better with his tackle.
Ref was awful as well. A real shit performance from him too.
The ref was either incompetent or he was cheating. But the same can be said for every ref really. None of them are up to reffing a PL game, not with all the snidey cheating and diving and the rest of it. The spuds are particularly good at breaking up the play without picking up the whole heap of yellows and reds they deserve for persistent fouling. Refs just aren't smart enough or bothered enough to let it go and pundits view it all as the rough and tumble of the PL which is fine, but not when we don't get the same benefits ourselves. Players like Dier and Wanyama are virtually talentless pubbers who secure a starting spot for their ability to run for 90 mins and fould without attracting cards for 90 mins. If the spuds players had been picking up cards like Kos' then they'd have ended up with 6 or 7 sent off. This is the dirty little secret of the PL, pub teams are given a free pass to do their stuff and make the league "exciting". That Xhaka red becomes more ludicrous as the weeks roll on and the lack of any other instance occurring becomes ever more conspicuous. There's certainly one rule for Arsenal and one rule for the rest. Don't know why it's that way - maybe it goes back to a general dislike for the club stirred up by comments from Neanderthals like Fat 'Crooked' Sam and Tony Putrid. I think the common "wisdom" that [they] "don't like it up 'em" has caused many a ref to look the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Disagree about Clattenburg, it was a typical performance for a shit referee
I think Xhaka is a top draw player but has only shown it in spells this season, but no he and Coquelin are not a good combination. He isn't worth 34 million or whatever we played about half that as he's good but far from being world class.
That pair in front of the defence should be Cazorla and Xhaka, Elneny and Xhaka, Coquelin and Cazorla and Cazorla and Elneny....shouldn't play Elneny and Coquelin or Coquelin and Xhaka.
Not sure about Cazorla and Coquelin either, didn't work at all against high pressing PSG
And the purgatory continues under the old fraud, his little lovies on the pitch and his legions of window lickers who back him to the hilt.
Nothing will change as long as the clueless looney remains at the helm. An ordinary spuds team under an ordinary manager come here for the 3rd season in a row and nullify us. The clown sets up his team the same way regardless of opponent; same timed subs, compounded by zero in game management.
Just fuck off wenker, and take Ramsey along with the tourists, that cram the bowl on match days, with you.
Who would you get in to manage now?
We should have won but it's ridiculous to call Spurs ordinary and their manager less soQuote:
Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
This is a team that is incredibly hard to beat, they aren't scoring many but they sure as hell aren't conceding many. The team performance wasn't great but neither was it terrible.
I said the other day that Mustafi is not much better than Merts! He was a panic buy in my opinion. Wenger cannot buy a decent defender unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Mustafi had a bad game but he's not worse than Merts. His bad game didn't costs us the game.
I said that "He is not much better than Merts".Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Completely baffling team selection from Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I mean he buys Elneny last January because he most likely saw how badly we fell apart once Santi got injured and he knew he needed to bring a long term replacement and yet when the time comes to play him when Santi inevitably gets injured he keeps him on the bench and the end result is the game against Ludograts where we just managed to get over the line after an appalling start and today's lethagic performance.
There's no defending it either. I just can't get what he was thinking ...... surely he must have known that Xhaka & Coquelin would struggle together.
Definitely had a shocker by his standards today but he's a lot better than Merts. We can actually play a high line know which closes the gap to the midfield and pushes them further forward into the other team's half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy