I haven't seen him make any outstanding saves, he doesn't really command the box on crosses, and hes let in a few goals he shouldn't have. Is he really the answer to our goalkeeping problems? Is he number 1 when Fabianski is back?
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I haven't seen him make any outstanding saves, he doesn't really command the box on crosses, and hes let in a few goals he shouldn't have. Is he really the answer to our goalkeeping problems? Is he number 1 when Fabianski is back?
I think so. Shit defenders don't help his cause however.
This is his first season, and he's ridiculously young for a keeper. He's our number one from now one, heck even the great Bob Wilson said so.
he is another quincy,lupoli,denilson,diaby,walcott,senderos,nord veit,bendtner etc. He is a couple of massive cock-ups away next season after which it would be arbitrarily decided by wenger he is not ready --- he will then be shipped out on loan never to be heard of again then sold off to an obscure eastern european club.
He's good but our defence is the worst in 30 years of watching Arsenal.
He's by no means the finished article but he has that aura of confidence about him, he's a real character like all the great keepers are. Looking forward to seeing him next year.
I know what your saying but I think he's the best we've got and his defence certainly doesn't help him. I'd quite like to see us sign Brad Friedel for a year and let Chesney continue to develop as understudy.
The goal yesterday going through is legs was a bit terrible though, and when was the last time he came for a cross. When we first saw him he was punching them to the halfway line. I think hes a number 2 and someone like Staklenburg or whatever should come in.
He like many before him suffer from "Wengeritis" in that they use the first 11 as a developmental stage, which it shouldnt be, if he neds first team footie to develop then loan him to a championship club cos he isnt ready for the big stage. You cant just wander in completely inexperienced and play top level footie and champs league footie ffs, the same happened to Eastmond and he hasnt been seen since.
We have 2 levels of players now, he stars and the kids, sadly the kids tend to be back upto to the stars making our squad so ridiculously unbalanced its a joke, these kids are bought into he first team with such hype from the manager and the fans that when they unsurprisingly fail they get crucified as failures.
I dont think any other club in the wiorld does this but us.
I think we'll either stick with him or Flappy as No. 1.
Flappy was showing more consistency - which is to be expected.
Mind you Jo Djo is another player - along with Szcesny - who seems to have been affected alarmingly by the disintegration of our defence as a team.
I think it shows real arrogance/myopia from the manager - namely that he feels he is so good at finding/developing young talent that they are good enough to play at the top level straight away. he seems to think that because it worked with Cesc it'll work with anyone.
He's a good young keeper who could use someone older to learn from, I think he's got a lot of potential...not sure if he's quite ready yet though.
TBF he is a young lad who has been thrown in at the deep end tbf. Did he think he would play in all those important matches for us no way. He really should not be no 1 next season he needs to learn from another before he gets the job full time.
He just needs to spend the next 3 months with Lehmann.
Then he will be a perfect no1 at the start of next season.
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Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus!
Pretty much. Wenger just doesn't seem to place any value on experience and maturity any more (if he ever did). Chesney shows a lot of potential, as does Flappy if we're fair, but neither are PL winning keepers - yet. Both would benefit massively from learning with a seasoned pro though. Somebody like Jens or Seaman. The fact Wenger wouldn't pay the last few miserable quid for a #1 keeper in the summer and instead threw these kids into the lion's den says a lot about the "father figure" stereotype he carries around. Managers who really care about a player's development and career don't do that. It's one thing being a backup keeper and cocking-up in a big game, people understand it and forgive it - the player is still learning after all. But when you go out in a cup final carrying the #1 tag then people expect more and it's a lot for a kid to carry that pressure. Wenger is doing the same to Wilshere. In fact they're all piling on Jack. He's played over 50 games this year and now straight into international duty. It's crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
I have been wondering more and more whether in the medium/long term AW may be retarding the development of the young players whose cause he is so famous for championing. Been a while since we have really seen dramatic improvements from his players accross the board. If anything, the majority seem to be standing still/regressing.
You are not the only one coming to this conclusion. How can they possibly develop when their confidence is being knocked as a reult of not being able to make mistakes and learn from them in a safer and more understanding environment with no one to look up to or learn from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
Yup, AW has been using the first team as a nursery for way too long, who do these players learn from?
FWIW, I like Chesney...he has a lot of raw potential...raw in the sense that he's still quite rough around the edges but there's a very good keeper in there IMHO. Personally I feel we should bring in a quality experienced keeper to accelerate his or Fabianski's development, really Arsene should make his decision on who he wants to keep.
Personally I prefer Chesney over Fabianski, I think Ches is the more rounded keeper.
P.S. I think having Chesney & Fabianski as number 1 & 2 at the club is potentially damaging for both of them, who do they learn from?
5 years on from the start of project youth, Cesc is still the face of it. Who else has Wenger managed to build up from scratch into not just a relatively competent player (that any manger could do), but a player that genuinely excels? I would not be too surprised if Bendtner becomes a 20 goal a season striker at say, Bayern Munich where he has been linked for example, why Wenger felt the need to play him on the right wing is beyond me. I'm not an expert but I don't see how a 6ft+ striker with no pace is going to succeed out there.
It's a worry that Wenger's biggest draw, his youth development, may also be one of his flaws now.
I think Wenger's youth development has been very overrated. As you say who has he 'developed' other than Cesc in the last 6 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
And even before that some of his young signings have been questionable, Aliadiere, Jeffers to name 2. I think he got lucky with the likes of Vieira and Henry in that they didn't need developing so much more just given a chance.
The mystic aura around Wenger is starting to clear for me too and the only thing I see now is a bank manager who eats healthily.
I do wonder if we will try and get Given from Man City this summer as a foil for the other two, he is the wrong kind of keeper for us IMO but is still a big improvement and a move in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I think Scesney is a good keeper for his age . He is confident and never let a single mistake affect him . He is learning his trade . The way we defend let him down .But he will come very good and grow with years .
I think we have a WORLD CLASS keeper in the making in this kid, I think he is a brilliant keeper and how you can say that he hasn't made any top class saves, I have seen quite a few made by him, can't point them out from which games, but he has made some great saves. We have finally found a keeper who will become a long-term No.1 for club and country just like Seam-o... What hasn't helped is the fact that he has had a rotation of CB's in front of him who are as trusting as my kids playing CB. I think now we have Vermaelen back and if we can get Kocielny's confidence back up to where it was before the CC Final then I think we could have a really good solid backline... I would get rid of Clichy now though and bring in the Konchesky :P Joking, maybe Gibbs to get the nod over him. I have faith in what Arsenal can do next season like I do every year. Considering we had Cesc and RvP out for half a season then I think we done as well as we could.
Cesc will be out for the whole season this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishitaliangooner
by that time, he will also become disillusioned with the shambles around him. Ask cesc. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
i remember the spuds game, if it werent for him, we would have lost heavily. dont think we should drop him, keep him as no 1 now unless he fucks up big time in which case drop him as per normal
Has looked average to me but ive seen enough for him not to be sold like the other 2 should be.
Keep him but as number 2 and get in a top quality keeper this summer
He has done ok. He hasn't been world class but he hasn't exactly played badly either. Also as Alpha mentioned he doesn't let a mistake phase him, he forgets about it and gets on with it. That ability and his self confidence are vital traits for a keeper. IMO he has the potential to become world class, or at least a very good keeper.
We need to strengthen other areas of the pitch far more than the keeper position. Give Szcezney another season and see how he does. After all this was only his debut season. We'll be fine with Fabianski as back up too.
Absolutely. This is just common sense. If we're going to seriously challenge then we need to be strong all over the pitch. There are threads suggesting we give Chamakh another season, give Wenger another season, get along with the CBs we already have, and also give a rookie the #1 shirt. These collective weak points add up. Maybe you can carry one weakness in the team, even two if the team as a whole is good enough (which we aren't), but several fundamental weaknesses? We all know what happens when you do that, we've seen it. I'm not referring to Chesney's ability as a weakness, merely his lack of experience. He plays in such a crucial position, he needs to do his time like any keeper who ever made it to the top. Bear in mind, we'll probably be partially carrying two rookies in the engine room as well, Wilshere and Ramsey. Fine players both but again, where's the experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I'd like us to buy Manuel Neuer and he and Szezney can battle it out for number 1, Fabianski can be back-up.
Normally I'd agree with favouring experience but in the case of Chezza I really think he's ready now to nail down the number 1 spot for many years to come. I'd even say if we did buy a highly rated keeper, Chesney would have no qualms about leaving such is the character of the guy. Do we really want to risk losing him?
It's important to have a hierarchy though in the squad, players need to be put in their position, disciplined and have older heads to learn from. Most of these players wouldn't last one second if we had the likes of Bould, Adams, Keown, Parlour etc in their pomps here.
Instead we have a bunch of pretenders who think they're awesome and don't have anyone to tell them otherwise, when the reality is most of them have achieved nothing to date in their careers and probably aren't even respected by the majority of GHEL's that make up the Premier League.
Chesney 1st, Fabianski 2nd, Lehmann 3rd.
Think that he's good enough, just needs a solid defense in front of him. Lehmann can act as a goalkeeping coach and backup as ours seem to suck. Almunia should be flogged to some 3rd division side.
i think if Chesney were to be dropped in favour of a better keeper like nueuer etc, it would cause more harm to him then good. in his mind he believes he is the best in the world, yet unlike bentner he keeps that to himself! dropping him after what has been a dam good debut season in my mind, there have been some games where he has kept us in it, like spuds, even the barca home game! if he were dropped, he would want to leave, remember what he was like earlier in the season! if he were number 1 for the start of the season, fucked up a bit and was dropped for he would fight back, but dropping him now would do more harm i think
Yes, he's going to make mistakes, and yes he is young....but every keeper will make a certain amount of errors per year. He won't do an Almunia. They guy has enough bloocks to be able to shake things like that off, and it won't destroy his confidence like it does Gomez, Green and Almunia.
We need strong personality, and he will only get better and better this lad.
And I think you'd find a keeper with a stronger defensive unit in front of him would do miles better, whoever you had between the sticks.
not so much, nothing wrong with the coaches, you cant coach someone not to be a spaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Depends if we are serious about mounting a chellenge next year or not. If we're simply chasing a top 4 finish as normal then we could probably afford to carry Chesney as he learns his trade. If something wierd happens and we decide to compete, we'll need a top keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If we don't 'carry' Chesney we'll be carrying someone else anyway.
It's unrealistic talking about the likes of Neuer and other world class names. We need three or four other players including a striker, a midfielder(or two if Cesc leaves) and a CB. There's even a case for buying a new wide man especially if Arshavin goes. We can't afford to buy top players in all those positions and all of the proven keepers would take a HUGE chunk of the transfer kitty.
On top of that MO is dead right about the possibility of Chesney leaving if he is pushed back to 2nd place again. He even threatened to do so himself earlier this season!
Keep the faith in Chesney and keep a wise head like Jens in the squad or coaching staff to keep him in check.