Well well well, what say we now
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Well well well, what say we now
Could I arrange my 2018 and 2019 votes now as well please? Are you accepting postal votes?
sorry not taking future bookings, little bit handbrake on the booking system but log on again same time next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Neither, really. I think he should go at the end of the season.
Poll is missing the 'Give him a new contract" option. If you are going to ask, cover all of the options even if no-one does vote that way. Even a negative site like Goonersweb should offer the choice.
Wexit means Wexit.
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Originally Posted by GP
But what is the plan of the Wexiteers? They never say. And will Wenger's salary be going to by better healthcare for the injured players?
There is an official policy for this, as well you know. When we have a plan you can back us. If not, you can stay silent. Meanwhile, thank you for your interest in our affairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
In all honesty though - who here genuinely feels sympathy for Wenger? The guy's a fucking millionaire. He can probably write his next job description (for some inexplicable reason). If we lose our jobs we wonder where the next meal is coming from. He just books into a swanky hotel and gets there first class. Different worlds. I'm not saying I'm jealous of him, I'm saying it's not an "end of the world" event as it would be for any of the fans that have been paying his salary all these years. Bit of perspective required on the sympathy trips some in the media and part of the fan base are sinking into.
Meanwhile, anyone seen Ty? Has he committed suicide? Has he been at prayer to Wenger's father for the past 3 days?
mods please edit thread and give Coney his "new contract" option
Done
If anyone who has voted already wants to change from wanting him gone now (option chosen by all 10) then let me know and you can vote for him to sign the contract on the table.
Though your thinking will be madder than a box of Trumps.
What about a "Gone 5 years ago" option?
I think I'm okay with my, GTFO you loser, vote.
2 voted stay already! :d
And no - I have not voted yet.
He is extremely well paid and rewarded not only but the club but also by BEIN Sports where he is a pundit. He has had loads of chances (and could yet stay for two more years) to fix things and produce a winning team but he's failed and he still believes we are close to the top teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The bullshit he has come out with forbthe last 12 years is simply unforgivable.
That's how he ended up unfortunately, a bullshitter. Clough was a drunk, but Wenger has been sober all this time, as hard as that is to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
2 votes are a pisstake I suppose. No sane fan could want him here for another 2 years.
But of course if not an outright pisstake, explain your reasoning please. Would be very interesting to hear on what grounds anyone can support this guy.
Ty and Chris Wenger barred from answering.
I heard he has decided to spend his time lobbying Kroenke for a toupee. Also his beanie is missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He cant fuck off soon enough. I dread waking up sometime in April and opening up a news site to see the dinosaur has signed a new deal.
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Probably people who think the players are responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Every set of them, from about five different combinations since 2004.
Funny, as a lot of those players went on to win the league at different clubs. They just wanted to be lazy at Arsenal.
I think the players are responsible. That doesn't excuse Wenger because he picks them and buys them but we've got some overrated players with a piss poor mentality. They'll need a kick up the ass when a new manager arrives. It's the best set of players we've had in a long time, the most expensive and the most experienced. If Senderos and Djourou had the sort of performances Musatfi and Kos, we'd put it down to quality and experience alongside the manager being terrible at setting up a defence. But certain things aren't tactical and more so a case of footballing intelligence.
Roy Keane used this example the other day when referring to Coq allowing Robben in onto his strong foot. That's down to football intelligence. Any player defending Robben should know he's going to cut in like that. The way he invited him in was stupid. He has to take responsibility for that sort of mistake. But where Wenger comes in is if he doesn't correct Coquelin for making that mistake and not dropping him if he continue to fuck up.
Mustsafi had a horror and he's supposed to be a World Cup winner. How was he caught napping so often? Kos gets far too much praise on here and he only ever looks great next to Merts. Any other partner he looks shaky. I could go on. To lose by such a huge scoreline in the 1st leg of the CL is a shocker. We could have lost 3-1 and still hope for a result at the Emirates. It's a combination of both.
The players that were leaders went on to win stuff with other clubs. The ones that were often the last to give up and not the first at the first sign of trouble. Cole, Cesc and RVP had successful careers. Clichy and Kolo have done okay for themselves too. But the overrated bums like Nasri, Adebayor, and Hleb, the ones that shunned responsibility as our key players...it hasn't worked out so well for them. They never lived up to the same hype they had at Arsenal. I'd say we have more these type of players at our club right now.
The comparison is largely symbiotic, in the sense that Wenger knows he is within reason his own boss and that he has to fail hard for his position to be under threat equally the players know (especially Ozil) that their place in the team is largely not under threat once they have made it into his first team selection.
There's only so far pride will get you, you might at first feel cross with yourself for not doing your best but if you know you'll still get your money and your place in the team, your lack of effort is consequence free.
There are some who have the character that they will never let their personal standards drop regardless of the situation, at Arsenal they are few and far between because the manager doesn't like the confrontation.
He now is flying the kite of a 4 year contract. The ultimate WUM. Hopefully a largely empty stadium will convince him and the powers that be otherwise.
In fairness that's not what he said, he said I'm 67 and Ferguson carried on to 71. I know that I'm not ready to retire, I may want to stay on longer than that, I may want to stay on for less time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
If he showed absolutely no reflection on what the fan mood is like he wouldn't even be saying "somewhere else if not Arsenal". I think he should leave us, but what he does after that is entirely up to him.....that's my position.
If he thinks that he can just stay with us until he's ready to give it up than it's incumbent on fans to make him think again (only because we know the board would love that).
Sounds to me like he's trying to get the club to make a statement. He's saying, I'll be managing next year, I want it to be at Arsenal but it could be somewhere else. That's a come and get me message to Arsenal and anyone else out there who is interested. This isn't a message to the media or the fans. He's stated his intention and placed the onus on the club to make a decision. I suspect that decision has already been made and I suspect it is to leave that contract on the table and ask him to sign it. Wenger can then say the club wants him, he wants to stay and even though the fans are anti they have to accept there are people better placed to make the decisions in the best interests of the club. In a recent online media poll it is claimed 47% of Arsenal fans want him to stay. That's incredible really, hard to fathom, but if true then he can genuinely claim almost all the pieces are in place. The club, tick. Himself, tick. Half the fans, tick. And I assume the next tactic is to start rolling out players to support Le Boss. Beat up Sutton, assume it's a prelude to delivering another FA Cup. Get a few wins under the belt and move back up the table. Get a commitment from either Ozil or Alexis, throw in a few hints about major signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
My gut tells me Wenger is going to weather this and they might even split the difference and roll out a 3 year, rather than 2 year, renewal.
Thats why I termed it flying a kite. He has to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know that the tideof opinion is largely against him. If he is as good as he thinks he is, the Bayerns, Barcas and RMs of Europe will be queueing up to recruit him. The only club in Europe stupid enough to employ him now is Arsenal.
The fans need to see that this is the time to let everyone know that we are fed up of his perrennial shortcomings
I wouldnt put too much credence to an open poll that allows fans of other clubs to have a say. If that is the result of a poll of genuine fans. Then I might as well hang up my keyboard. Thats like cows voting to keep a local tannery. Stupid idiots!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Also consider though, we get to see and hear the vociferous 1% of fans and don't hear much from the silent majority who don't post to forums, don't given opinions on social media. If you think back to the last organised (semi-organised) protest, it was met with a wall of support for Wenger from inside the stadium. I think a lot of fans who aren't heavily invested either way and maybe see football as a day out are easily sold on the great man, done so much, built the stadium with his bare hands, we owe him respect narrative. It wouldn't surprise me at all if 47% or even higher are happy for Wenger to stick around. Also wouldn't surprise me if during the next few games, rather than hearing howls of discontent, we hear strong support for Wenger. From the home crowd that is. Sounds like the away fans have had their fill, though they are in a very small minority in terms of numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Are either of the two who voted pro Wenger prepared to say why? If it was a joke, no big deal. But if genuine, what's the thinking behind your view? Not asking so you can be pounced on from all sides (although that will happen and I'll probablydefinitely join in) but because I have been trying to find one good reason why the guy should stay and I can't find it. What am I missing?
In some ways the board have tried to make this all about him by offering the contract and saying Arsene will decide his own future which takes all the heat off them, Wenger in that sense is just trying to return the favour.
Again if I thought he was going to turn around and say well the fans don't want me here but I'll stay anyway, he would have signed the contract already....if he clearly doesn't give a fuck about the negative reaction of fans that contract would have already been signed. I think he's playing for time to get fan opinion back on his side but I think he knows back of his mind he's past the point of no return and the fans won't get back on side.
Either way trying to observe what it all means is largely tea leaf reading anyway, the fact that he is no where near ready to retire should be a surprise to no one. That there is even doubt that he would carry on at Arsenal when there never has been previously suggests he's on a very slender foothold at the very least, not from the board but because the fan base has turned on him.
He needs to go and should have gone years ago to be honest, the fact there's now talk of 4 years just shows what the club and manager think of the fans.
The guy doesn't love Arsenal, if he did he'd be moving on realising noone (except the more delusional) want him here, in the end though I can see the guy staying on and not giving a toss about the fans, it's what he does best to be honest, troll the fans.
He's a total embarassment, but he can't see it.
Wenger really has his work cut out if he wants to preserve his record of top 4 finishes. We actually have a very difficult run-in and if I was a betting man I'd say this is the year we drop out of top 4. Those last 4 fixtures are brutal.
Premier League
Southampton P-P Arsenal Sat 25 Feb
Liverpool V Arsenal Sat 4 Mar 17:30
Arsenal P-P Leicester City Postponed Sat 11 Mar
West Bromwich Albion V Arsenal Sat 18 Mar 12:30
Arsenal V Manchester City Sun 2 Apr 16:00
Arsenal V West Ham United Wed 5 Apr 19:45
Crystal Palace V Arsenal Mon 10 Apr 20:00
Middlesbrough V Arsenal Mon 17 Apr 20:00
Arsenal V Sunderland Sat 22 Apr 15:00
Tottenham Hotspur V Arsenal Sun 30 Apr 16:30
Arsenal V Manchester United Sat 6 May 15:00
Stoke City V Arsenal Sat 13 May 15:00
Arsenal V Everton Sun 21 May 15:00
The whole top 4 thing is a sick joke. We're better off fielding a reserve team against Bayern and taking another hammering so we can rest senior players for a very tough schedule (including those 2 postponed games being inserted somewhere) that we need to conquer if we want to pick up the points to finish top 4 so we can reach next season's last 16 of the CL where we'll get hammered by Bayern. Cyclical insanity, in football terms. But in terms of money - just lovely. It is very, very, very obvious where the board's and Wenger's focus is. Lovely, lovely money.
Sir Chips Fuckturd has already proclaimed we won't be paying the necessary wages to have top players at the club. So we're never winning, or even properly competing in, the CL under this regime. So my preference would be to send the first team out against Bayern with instructions to recover their pride and show the fans there's still some hope at this club. Even then, it's pretty sad when "glorious failure" becomes the best outcome you can wish for. But there it is, that's what the board and Wenger have reduced this club to.
After that, take each one of those games and do whatever it takes to win each and every one of them. Punching, kicking, biting, or even playing football. Hoofing the fucker, actually running a bit, being professional, responsible, more determined than the other guy, more desperate to win - Well we won't do any of that.
So finishing outside the top 4, given we can forget about attracting top players either way, is not such a bad thing. At least it breaks the cycle and disrupts this horrendous money making scheme the suits have stuck the club with.
Genuinely don't give a shit where we finish anymore.
For sake of the club and the fans who do care, hopefully we finish as high as we can but it won't make a difference to the loser mentality that flows through the club.
This club isn't setup to compete, we have everything we need financially but we have this real losers mentality running from top to bottom, another sign of it is that despite raking in the cash we won't pay the going rate for top players, we really are cheap...yet we're happy to offer kids new contract after new contract for achieving nothing, the lack of common sense is alarming.
Why are people willing to pay top whack for such a sub standard product (and it is sub standard) is beyond me, the cherry on the cake is that despite paying rdiiculous money they are then patronised and blamed by the club.
I can't think why anyone would want this regime to carry on to be honest, 4 people on here seem to want it, surely that's a joke?
I'm the same, in previous years I was anxious but this year I'm not actually fussed, 4th,5th,6th or 7th, none of it means anything anymore because nothing will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yep, the "losing is acceptable" culture needs to be removed before we can really move forward and start competing properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't imagine they see it as a "losing is acceptable" culture. They'll look at the balance sheet, look at the financial growth, look at the money coming in from "trophies" such as the "Top 4 World Championship" and the "20 Years CL Appearance Super Cup", look at the tens of thousands in the stadium and the sponsorship deals and every other indicator and I'm sure they think it's all a resounding success. They have said it. They are perplexed at why the fans can't see the glory too. Before Wenger came we had X millions in the bank, now we have X times infinity millions in the bank. We are also "Best Financially Run World Champions" for the 20th year running. We have retained the "Moral Superiority Cup" for 2 decades running. Players such as Fabregas, Arshavin, RvC, Ozil and Alexis have graced the team while passing through. And yet this isn't enough for the fans who keep going on about league titles and European titles even though it makes no significant difference financially whether you win these things or not. Obviously the fans know nothing about finances, in their blind ignorance they criticise Wenger who is the undisputed financial master of Corporation Football. But that's okay because these fans are in the process of being priced out, so the fan base is a short term problem that will be solved in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
They'll look at the drop dead gorgeous, uber sexy, smoking hot share price and whip their tool into a lather. If this is "losing" they can live with it. For as long as they can keep the gravy train on the rails.
And unless Alan Greenspan is available, Wenger will be staying so we can have years more of this unprecedented success. So what if a few oiks don't have the grace or breeding to show a bit of gratitude?