Match Reaction vs Everton (away).

A heathy dose of brilliance and insanity.

Nice to give Koeman a good pumping though.

Wenger OUT!

Easiest win of the season.

Koeman. :lol:

Bye.

Get rid of Wenger today. Don't fuck about, just get it done. Bring in a decent manager and convince our star players to give it one more contract. That's the smart move. Don't let this drag on to January or the summer and then hand this turd money so he can buy more Xhakas.

And don't give this bloke any credit for the win today. It's his job to pick a sane team and he shouldn't get extra credit for doing the basics of his job properly for the first time this season. Even then he subs Lacazette. Just can't help himself.

Should've been 10-0

Good game. Wasn't a waste of time for once. Ozil, Lacazette and Sanchez playing together for once and all getting on the score sheet or setting up a goal.

Hopefully Wenger will soon figure out that we shouldn't be playing Xhaka and Ramsey in the middle. Wilshere and Coquelin looked decent coming off the bench.

Fuck off Koeman! Guy has been a prick to us for years so it'd be fitting if it's defeat against us that spells his fate!

Impressive performance offensively - the talent in the squad has always been there to at least challenge for the league..... we just need a better manager to do that.

In the glory of the win I hope we don't lose sight of how abysmal the two goals we conceded were. Could do with working on our finishing while we're at it - it really should have been a cricket score.

AOL up front (somebody else came up with this). :bow:

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Good game. Wasn't a waste of time for once. Ozil, Lacazette and Sanchez playing together for once and all getting on the score sheet or setting up a goal.

Hopefully Wenger will soon figure out that we shouldn't be playing Xhaka and Ramsey in the middle. Wilshere and Coquelin looked decent coming off the bench.

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Despite the fact that I'd be classified as a hater, I've got to say I've been impressed with Wilshere lately. Some impressive performances worthy of the hope we once had in him.

Whether that's because he realises that it's his "last chance" to make something or he's doing a "Theo" and playing well to get a new contract remains to be seen though.

I still however don't think we should give him better opportunities until he signs a new contract! We've already got too many players taking the club for a ride!

Who'd have thought picking your best forwards would result in the best attacking performance of the season..

Centre mid just doesn't function and against a better team we'd be in trouble. In fairness Xhaka improved as the game went on but he's cost us too many goals now. Can't fault Ramsey's workrate, he's just completely brainless.

I'm not sure I've been more annoyed with such an easy win before.

Should have been 0-3 up before they scored. Should have been 1-6 at half-time. Should have been 1-10 after they went down to ten men. Somehow a 0-15 game game was 2-5. They scored from virtually their only two attempts at our goal, with the second being a clownfest at the back. WUMger with the mind-boggling subs again. Take Lacazette off just after he scored and Ozil after his best game this decade and bring on two more central midfielders against a woeful ten-man team who are basically begging to be battered to a miserable pulp. Wenger has crossed the line today and I'll be the first to say it: Wenger OUT.


More importantly though: Koeman :haha: :haha:.

Haven't heard anything from Deeney about this weekend's results so far, but I'm keeping my ear open.

Great to get 5 goals and an away win against a team most were confident would finish ahead of us this season.

Happy to see Per remain and I've found the reluctance to use him since last season strange. Wilshere twice over hit through balls but he sees the run and isn't afraid to attempt the pass. Still underwhelmed by Xhaka.

Not too bothered about their second goal as that is a mistake Cech and Monreal have enough brains and nous not to repeat every week.

Everton were in it until the sending off. According to Koeman. No wonder he's struggling.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Despite the fact that I'd be classified as a hater, I've got to say I've been impressed with Wilshere lately. Some impressive performances worthy of the hope we once had in him.

Whether that's because he realises that it's his "last chance" to make something or he's doing a "Theo" and playing well to get a new contract remains to be seen though.

I still however don't think we should give him better opportunities until he signs a new contract! We've already got too many players taking the club for a ride!

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I'm not with this idea that we shouldn't play a player if he hasn't signed a deal when we're into the last year of his contract. Especially when considering the position we're in. The way we let players run contracts down pisses me off but I wouldn't want us to reward Wilshere with a contract for just sitting on the bench. He has to earn it. Also, I'm against Wenger not picking the best team for the job because he's playing politics. If it's a choice between Xhaka and Wilshere under current circumstances, I'm picking Wilshere every time.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

I'm not sure I've been more annoyed with such an easy win before.

Should have been 0-3 up before they scored. Should have been 1-6 at half-time. Should have been 1-10 after they went down to ten men. Somehow a 0-15 game game was 2-5. They scored from virtually their only two attempts at our goal, with the second being a clownfest at the back. WUMger with the mind-boggling subs again. Take Lacazette off just after he scored and Ozil after his best game this decade and bring on two more central midfielders against a woeful ten-man team who are basically begging to be battered to a miserable pulp. Wenger has crossed the line today and I'll be the first to say it: Wenger OUT.


More importantly though: Koeman :haha: :haha:.

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Well NQ said Wenger out first page me old mucker...

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I'm not with this idea that we shouldn't play a player if he hasn't signed a deal when we're into the last year of his contract. Especially when considering the position we're in. The way we let players run contracts down pisses me off but I wouldn't want us to reward Wilshere with a contract for just sitting on the bench. He has to earn it. Also, I'm against Wenger not picking the best team for the job because he's playing politics. If it's a choice between Xhaka and Wilshere under current circumstances, I'm picking Wilshere every time.

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In truth Xhaka should have probably been dropped a number of games ago but such is our options...there he is making the same mistakes game after game.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

a team most were confident would finish ahead of us this season.

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Uhhh

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

In truth Xhaka should have probably been dropped a number of games ago but such is our options...there he is making the same mistakes game after game.

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Dropped and taken to one side by a competent coach who could teach him the basics of this league. But he hasn't been dropped and we don't have any coaches like that.

Last season, WUMger used Xhaka sparingly early on even when he had some good games.

Now he's a liability, he's become undroppable.

Wenger is batshit, basically.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Dropped and taken to one side by a competent coach who could teach him the basics of this league. But he hasn't been dropped and we don't have any coaches like that.

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If he needs teaching of the basics for that sort of situation then we are in real trouble. At this level it shouldn't take a coach to tell him to not get caught in possession deep in your own half. He needs dropping and he'll know exactly why he's been dropped. If a player can't work out what to do in that sort of situation, especially a central midfielder, he has no business playing at this level.

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If he needs teaching of the basics for that sort of situation then we are in real trouble. At this level it shouldn't take a coach to tell him to not get caught in possession deep in your own half. He needs dropping and he'll know exactly why he's been dropped. If a player can't work out what to do in that sort of situation, especially a central midfielder, he has no business playing at this level.

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35 mill in the hole, so we might as well try to train him up.

Caught the last 20 minutes or so, we looked pretty good from what I saw of it though we were playing against 10 men. You never know which Arsenal will turn up so today's result isn't entirely surprising.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

35 mill in the hole, so we might as well try to train him up.

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Wenger will tell him that he was fouled. ;) If Xhaka has any sort of professional pride, he'd learn not to get caught like that. How long do we have to potty train? Certain basics you shouldn't have to be told what to do and if caught out you should know how to correct it as a player. As coach, Wenger should show Xhaka that the sloppy play is unacceptable and drop him. He shouldn't have to go through training drills with the guy and analyse endless footage of similar scenarios. He's a lost cause if we do.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Wenger will tell him that he was fouled. ;) If Xhaka has any sort of professional pride, he'd learn not to get caught like that. How long do we have to potty train? Certain basics you shouldn't have to be told what to do and if caught out you should know how to correct it as a player. As coach, Wenger should show Xhaka that the sloppy play is unacceptable and drop him. He shouldn't have to go through training drills with the guy and analyse endless footage of similar scenarios. He's a lost cause if we do.

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No, I agree. But Xhaka's not the only one guilty of infuriating sloppiness. It ranges all the way down from Alexis through Cech - moments where a bit of composure and thought would make all the difference. Because the majority of the squad is actually decent, it's a constant war between the complacency and the individual ability. Sometimes the talent wins out, other times we blow our own feet off with both barrels. It won't change for as long as we have a guy who doesn't care about that stuff in charge.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No, I agree. But Xhaka's not the only one guilty of infuriating sloppiness. It ranges all the way down from Alexis through Cech - moments where a bit of composure and thought would make all the difference. Because the majority of the squad is actually decent, it's a constant war between the complacency and the individual ability. Sometimes the talent wins out, other times we blow our own feet off with both barrels. It won't change for as long as we have a guy who doesn't care about that stuff in charge.

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We had sloppy moments and players need a good kick up the backside. However, Xhaka is someone I have no hope for. It's not just sloppy play, it's a lack of quality too. He's so one footed that he can't use his right foot at all. Even the stupid foul he committed was down to him having to use his left foot to lunge in across the player instead of trying to win the ball with his right foot which would have seen him make more contact with the ball instead of the going right through the player.

He's slow, not mobile, can't tackle, questionable decision making, heavy feet....looks more and more like a dud signing.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

We had sloppy moments and players need a good kick up the backside. However, Xhaka is someone I have no hope for. It's not just sloppy play, it's a lack of quality too. He's so one footed that he can't use his right foot at all. Even the stupid foul he committed was down to him having to use his left foot to lunge in across the player instead of trying to win the ball with his right foot which would have seen him make more contact with the ball instead of the going right through the player.

He's slow, not mobile, can't tackle, questionable decision making, heavy feet....looks more and more like a dud signing.

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Our super advanced stats package say differently. How many subs have you made?

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Bellend.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Despite the fact that I'd be classified as a hater, I've got to say I've been impressed with Wilshere lately. Some impressive performances worthy of the hope we once had in him.

Whether that's because he realises that it's his "last chance" to make something or he's doing a "Theo" and playing well to get a new contract remains to be seen though.

I still however don't think we should give him better opportunities until he signs a new contract! We've already got too many players taking the club for a ride!

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He'll do well until he gets a new contract then his form will go downhill.

Only we can score 5 and still embarrass ourselves in the process:lol:

Nevertheless, a win at goodison :whacky:

Oh and koeman:haha:

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Our super advanced stats package say differently. How many subs have you made?

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:lol:

Besides Xhaka and Ramsey, Wenger's subs, it was a solid performance. We looked up for the challenge. We could have scored more.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

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Bellend.

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Did Rooooonnnnneeeeeeeehhhhhh get a touch in the second half? Totally fucking anonymous nothing player in the true sense. But let the myth roll on.

Arsenal were marginally better than a pathetic team whose manager WILL be sacked very soon.

The ONLY way to get Wenger out is to lose matches and Arsenal will lose a lot more matches this season.

The only objective this season is to get Wenger out and he might still leave next summer.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

I'm not with this idea that we shouldn't play a player if he hasn't signed a deal when we're into the last year of his contract. Especially when considering the position we're in. The way we let players run contracts down pisses me off but I wouldn't want us to reward Wilshere with a contract for just sitting on the bench. He has to earn it. Also, I'm against Wenger not picking the best team for the job because he's playing politics. If it's a choice between Xhaka and Wilshere under current circumstances, I'm picking Wilshere every time.

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I can tolerate it for a world class talent like Alexis or even Ozil if her performs like he did today but Jack unfortunately isn't as good, nor does he have the bank of goodwill for the club to put up with any nonsense.

The problem essentially is, why should the club give Jack the game time if he's ultimately going to piss off somewhere else if he actually ends up playing himself into some type of decent form after it all? Despite his PR "kiss the badge" stuff, by all accounts he's been pissed off with the club for not giving him chances this and last season, so there's no chance of him staying if there's decent interest for him.

The trick is to have capable negotiators who can convince him to sign a deal on reasonable money with clauses & triggers for pay rises when he does perform (goals + appearances). We're already going to chuck away £100 million in talent next window and so the last thing we need is to chuck away another £40 million on a talented performing ENGLISH CM, which he would be provided he recaptures his form. Sign a contract Jack and then you can get a start.

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Arsenal were marginally better than a pathetic team whose manager WILL be sacked very soon.

The ONLY way to get Wenger out is to lose matches and Arsenal will lose a lot more matches this season.

The only objective this season is to get Wenger out and he might still leave next summer.

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Oh do one.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Oh do one.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I can tolerate it for a world class talent like Alexis or even Ozil if her performs like he did today but Jack unfortunately isn't as good, nor does he have the bank of goodwill for the club to put up with any nonsense.

The problem essentially is, why should the club give Jack the game time if he's ultimately going to piss off somewhere else if he actually ends up playing himself into some type of decent form after it all? Despite his PR "kiss the badge" stuff, by all accounts he's been pissed off with the club for not giving him chances this and last season, so there's no chance of him staying if there's decent interest for him.

The trick is to have capable negotiators who can convince him to sign a deal on reasonable money with clauses & triggers for pay rises when he does perform (goals + appearances). We're already going to chuck away £100 million in talent next window and so the last thing we need is to chuck away another £40 million on a talented performing ENGLISH CM, which he would be provided he recaptures his form. Sign a contract Jack and then you can get a start.

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You're putting spite and politics ahead of football and what's needed for a performance. It boils down to how much more bullshit performances you can stomach from the midfield.

It's a catch 22. Why should the club play him if he hasn't signed a contract? Because Wenger should live by what he preaches. Wenger says a player should be committed regardless of the contract situation. It works both ways. For this one last season we need to put our best foot forward.

Did we actually hit 5 past everton :faint:

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I can tolerate it for a world class talent like Alexis or even Ozil if her performs like he did today but Jack unfortunately isn't as good, nor does he have the bank of goodwill for the club to put up with any nonsense.

The problem essentially is, why should the club give Jack the game time if he's ultimately going to piss off somewhere else if he actually ends up playing himself into some type of decent form after it all? Despite his PR "kiss the badge" stuff, by all accounts he's been pissed off with the club for not giving him chances this and last season, so there's no chance of him staying if there's decent interest for him.

The trick is to have capable negotiators who can convince him to sign a deal on reasonable money with clauses & triggers for pay rises when he does perform (goals + appearances). We're already going to chuck away £100 million in talent next window and so the last thing we need is to chuck away another £40 million on a talented performing ENGLISH CM, which he would be provided he recaptures his form. Sign a contract Jack and then you can get a start.

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We're not in a healthy enough situation to do that. If we had a decent first choice midfield then maybe, but Xhaka and Ramsey are hopeless. It's a serious problem now and we're throwing away games directly because of them. It nearly happened again today. We'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face if we stick Wilshere in the reserves now.

I'm not saying that Jack is the answer but frankly he can't be worse than Xhaka.