Nketiah:blink:
Where the feck did he come from :blink:
Wilshere completed 110 :bow:
Wenger trying his hardest to throw the cup away but we get through :lol:
Quarter finals :bow:
It's ours :bow:
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Nketiah:blink:
Where the feck did he come from :blink:
Wilshere completed 110 :bow:
Wenger trying his hardest to throw the cup away but we get through :lol:
Quarter finals :bow:
It's ours :bow:
Also how f*cking useless is walcott. When does this muppets contract end? Hopefully in the summer.
Is it the quarters already!?
Also this is a match reaction thread and there were only 2 responses before mine from the same person.....WTF!? I know most don't care about this cup but goodness me!
Only so many times you can type MEH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Usual story.
Shit team selection by Monsier Le Fuckwomble, shit tactics, everything he touches he turns to shit.
Boring tippy tappy shit.
Can't be arsed. Game not taken seriously. Absolutely shocking performance from Walnut.
Kid comes on with 5 to go, Bails Wenger's arse out. Usually it's Alexis doing that so this was a nice change.
Happy for the kid. Disgusted with the performance. Hate the shitty manager.
Absolutely typical momentum sapping dog shite from Wenger to follow on from our one decent performance of the season. Utterly predictable.
Etc, etc.
Elneny at CB, I suppose that's something different and more fucked up than usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z2-utT3X78
Ignore the last bit.
Well done to Marlo for the two goals.
I didn't really see much of the game. Another headed goal though, pub supremos.
Apparently he was born after Wenger became manager.
Although so was Coney <_<
Well done to "Eddie".
Oi, Eddie Nketamine, "childhood dream" so was that from last night? And what's with the number 62? Is that your weight in kilos? I hear on the grapevine that Sky are changing it to Clearasil Soccer Special...
Nketiah :bow:
He's like a black Thierry Henry
Looks like Marlo Stanfield tbh tbf.
I hope Avon Barksdale isn't around. :unsure:
That nketiah has apparently scored 48 goals in the past 2 seasons :blink:
He's the main man for the U23s. He played during the pre-season too. Surprised so many people haven't heard of him because he got plenty of attention pre-season, along with Nelson, Willock and the lad we sent out on loan Bramall.
What the hell happened to Zelalem though? He was supposed to be the American version of Christ.
He's also got 2 hattricks at U18 and U21 level for England.
This kid could go far - and needs to if he wants to avoid being ruined by Wenger.
He's got that natural predatory goalscoring instinct that you can't teach.
Mind you, I'm also reminded of the Arturo Lupoli who bagged tonnes of goals at our youth team level only to fail to make the step up. Outside of the freaks like Ronaldo, Messi, Cesc it's often hard to tell with young players as a lot of it comes down to workrate, application, ability to learn and most importantly, desire to succeed. Harry Kane looked like a bog standard journeyman at this stage and now look at him.
For the club's sake I really hope he does succeed. Given Jack's fall from grace, we could do with our own top tier British talent emerging from the academy.
Zelalem is out injured. Has no future here regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Michael Owen was already a star at 18, banging the goals in. He didn't need protection or special measures, he just needed a shirt and a ball and he did the rest. Now though, enthusiastic youngsters need wise old heads to slow their progress to a crawl and limit their game time. They need to somehow find a way to break into the team ahead of established stars like Theo Walcott. They need to integrate into the modern, ultra negative game and learn how to tippety-tap it around with masters like Xhaka.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
This has to be the biggest fear for any youngster with a bit of energy, the game's not there for them anymore. Sure, 5 minutes to go and the team is losing in a low priority match so there's everything to gain by sticking a youngster on and letting him go for it. But change the circumstances and he'll be under instructions to hold the ball, play it safe, keep the possession, don't drift out of the wing position he's been stuck in. We don't have an ambitious or adventurous enough manager to make anything out of these youngsters during a regular season. How many have we seen that offered promise? How many have come through? Iwobi. Bellerin. And these kids haven't been taught the basics, or else they've forgotten or got confused with all the bullshit that is modern management.
Theo Walcott and Ox are cautionary tales that every Arsenal youngster should be paying close attention to. Wenger has nothing to offer and if this kid does break through he'll soon be playing with all the uncertainty we now see in Iwobi's game. I hope not, but we've seen it too many times before.
Zelalem has gone in the bin alongside Freddy Adu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I said this five posts above yours.
What always happens with these young prodigees or aces as they are referred to, he got nowhere. Over the years I've heard so many names banded about as the next big thing, none of them have ever made it, this guy got a couple goals yesterday that's great, now he should be given some game time to see if he is the real deal or just another kid who is not going to make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Give him 45 minutes here and there to see what he can do, if he doesn't get any goals he won't make it, if he does maybe we have someone worth keeping hold of, if he's good enough he's old enough, not suggesting he plays every game but at least give him a chance to show what he can do.
Makes me laugh, when Wenger arrived he had a 10 year plan to develop our youth team (he was thinking about it even then), 10 years later he tries to build a team full of youngsters he's poached from other clubs, very few actually from our youth team and fails so miserably it's embarrassing, he carried on with this fruitless dream for years and even now he's always busy snapping up kids from all around the globe who he never seems to give a fair crack of the whip to and don't make it.
In the past kids flocked over here and seemed to believe in his pipe dream (or maybe they just were attracted to big wages we paid) and got nowhere. My advice to young players is if you want to make it don't come to Arsenal because you'll have noone to learn from, no leaders to guide you and won't make it.
I think we're actually quite adept at missing out on all the best young talent out there in favour of players who don't make it, when a top youngster is available we somehow manage to miss the boat, maybe it's so Wenger can build the all time best players anyone nearly signed.
Bale or Walcott - we end up with Walcott
Lupoli or Rossi - we end up with Lupoli
We also found the money for a flop like Sanogo but wouldn't pay up for Mbappe, all horrendous decisions which just show how poor the manager is at judging a players talent.
All those youngsters flopped, but nothing like Wenger, who himself is a flop of epic proportions.
Sanogo :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
What a useless load of tosh he was.
I question whether it's bad decisions on players or development. We've bought three players from Southampton and all been flops. I wonder what would have become of Bale and Theo if their paths were switched.Quote:
Bale or Walcott - we end up with Walcott
Lupoli or Rossi - we end up with Lupoli
We also found the money for a flop like Sanogo but wouldn't pay up for Mbappe, all horrendous decisions which just show how poor the manager is at judging a players talent.
Sir Chseny's recent jab about our development confirmed what I needed to know on our development. We spot raw talent but fail to develop them for the next level.
On that subject did we almost sign Bale?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
People can talk about Signing Walcott instead of Bale all they like but it wasn't the case. Bale was a bog standard full-back then anyway.
I'm sure some will remember his early Spurs record. They failed to win a game he started for about 2 years. He was called Gareth Fail for a reason.
The problem with Wenger is that he has nothing he can teach young players other than how to pass in triangles and keep possession. He doesn't give then any direct guidance which is why most of our young players get stuck at a mediocre level for years without progressing. They don't even get taught the basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The ones that break through the barrier are the truly talented players who think for themselves and improve themselves. The Henry's and the Cescs. Wenger likes to take credit for developing them but the truth is they developed themselves and would have been great players regardless of what team they joined.
What Keown said was damning, Wenger actually wouldn't let him tell our defenders what they were doing wrong. Apparently helping them improve would affect their confidence. Great job Arsene, I'm sure all that extra confidence helped them defend so much better. Like when we lost 8-2 to United. or 6-0 to Chelsea. Or 10-2 on aggregate to Bayern. Or every other game.
Bale was never "a bog standard full-back" as has been said, he was rated very highly, we chose to go for Walcott and the rest is history.
Signing Theo was a massive coup. He had the choice of us, Utd, Liverpool and Utd thought they had him right up until the last minute. Same deal with Ramsey. Walcott was touted as "the" English star of the future. The papers were full of it when he signed. It was back when Wenger had a reputation for protecting and developing young talent, thoroughly undeserved as it turns out.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Wenger had a mental breakdown of some sort several years back. It's the only logical explanation for the ways he carries on. I don't mean a stroke or Alzheimer's, I mean some sort of bubble induced mental disconnect that causes him to behave in the opposite way a non-afflicted person would behave. The only other explanation is he hates the fans so much he's made it his life's work to piss them off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
We signed Theo in January 2006? He's right footed? How was it Theo vs Bale as a decision?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It obviously wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
My point is we could have signed Bale, Walcott was just a pet project just like most of Wengers signings then, we spent money on this guy we could just have easily have spent money on Bale.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
We didn't sign Walcott to play there and then so it was just a case of signing a player for his potential. If we weren't looking at him then there must have been a problem with our scouts. From day one I've never seen the fuss with Walcott, seemed to lack any skill, his finishing was average and he really didn't seem to have much about him, if you look at what he did at Southampton it was pretty little, not sure why he commanded so much attention.
He arrived with a lot of hype, but never had the talent to deliver on that hype. There was less hype around Bale (though he was considered to be very talented) but he's far outperformed Walcott.
We could have signed a lot of players. If you want to make a point that we could have signed Bale, then fine, fair enough. Personally I think it's irrelevant now he isn't even at the club that did sign him but there's a reasonable argument to be had there.
You outrightly stated it was Theo vs Bale which is disingenuous.
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
2 players were available to buy, we could have bought 1 or the other or both possibly.
It was as much a choice as Xhaka or Kante
Wenger went for the worst option....as usual.
Frankly, I think Theo had everything as a 16 year old to be a world beater. He has pace and a decent eye of goal. All he needed was decent ball control.. he was crying out for someone to coach some basics into him. Wenger took him, shoved him all over the pitch and he turned out the way he has turned out.
I was just pointing out we made a choice and decided to sign Walcott as one for the future, he wasn't signed to play there and then so we weren't particularly looking to fill a position in the team (he cost a fortune as well considering). On that basis we chose to get him, we could just have easily gone in and signed Bale, he obviously wasn't on our radar or we just weren't interested, despite the fact people were aware of his talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Bale isn't at the club that signed him anymore basically because he was so good the biggest club in football came in for him, Walcott is still with us because let's face it he's been pretty average, is overpaid and no other club have been seriously interested in signing him, he's not stood out enough and is now also paid too much for his level of ability.
For me he ranks alongside the likes of Freddy Adu and Cherno Samba as most overhyped players to have ever played professional football, overhyped before they achieved anything or proved they were good enough.
Bale didn't leave until 14 months later, that's how. I don't know if he had even made his 2 appearances of the 05/06 season by the time Theo had joined us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
I haven't disputed you could say 'we could have signed Bale' but I am saying 'Walcott vs Bale' is a non sequitur.
The pojnt of Bale vs Walcott was just the fact we went in and signed a player from Southampton in Walcott, we could have just as easily signed Bale, the reality is we made the wrong choice because on is World Class and the other is well Walcott. We could easily have signed both of course, which may have been a more logical choice, there was a lot of talk of Bale and I didn't really get why we weren't in for him, he cost a lot less than Walcott as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Bet he's counting his lucky stars. If he came here under Wenger he would have turned into a useless waste of space.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Spot on. He gives them exposure which takes them up to a certain level then his weak minded mentality and tactical frailties rub off on them. Theo is the best example. Needs to be coached week in week out to maximise his attributes but Wenger and his laissez faire approach has ruined him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
I guarantee Bale wouldn't be Bale if he had signed for us. It's not just a case of picking the wrong player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim