We're hopeless.
At least somebody was fucked today I guess.
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We're hopeless.
At least somebody was fucked today I guess.
Is it too early for "Emery out"?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Hleb had the last laugh :bow:.
An absolutely pathetic result.
Spurs hammering Dortmund in the CL while we lose to some farmers in the EL, how fucking times change.
Sort it out Emery. :doh:
Should be an absolute shame for the club that they're so much better than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The only Spurs Kroenke knows of are the ones from San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Stan doesn’t give a flying fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
The BATE boys' first win over an English side at home in European competition...
Arsenal :haha:
Emery :haha:
Lacazette :haha:
Winning the Europa league :haha:
Us :pal:
We can have a laugh at this but our club is in serious trouble. We are falling behind very quickly. Remember when we used to moan at getting fourth and scraping into the last 16 of the Champions league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Not the biggest surprise when you consider we really were lucky to escape from Huddersfield with three points.
Believe me i'm laughing in the most mirthless way possible but it's that or break up the furniture and i can't afford to replace that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
And here’s me thinking that making up the numbers with no hope of ever winning was depressing stuff in the Champions League.
Yeah the other was against Neverton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Mustafi's debut. :haha:
Bit of an exaggeration, that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
We conceded our customary goal up there but late enough that we never really looked like dropping points.
Pleased I couldn’t find a stream for this one. Pretty sure we will progress in the second leg but losing to that lot is embarrassing
Ok, I forgive you. :tiphat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Pretty pathetic, weren't Bate players aren't even fully fit as they haven't played since December, Emery needs to sort this out, it's just not good enough to be honest, he's not covering himself in glory at the moment.
Denis Suarez early signs are that he is absolute shit. Play Ozil.. and I dont even like the guy!
As I said don't really understand signing him, didn't need anyone in his position, he's been a squad filler all his career and is really small as well so easy to brush off the ball. I hope we don't pay the 18-20 million fee and waste half our transfer budget on this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
LA Rsenal. :bow:
It’s Valentine’s Day and Arsenal can’t even Master Bate.
A Wenger like performance at its best.
We have reached a new level of shitness.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
We lost to Ostersunds last year. At home.
It’s the same level of shitness on repeat.
This club has no redeeming features, it’s just rancid on and off the pitch.
I forgot about that Ostersunds result. Jesus.
We won this game comfortably last year with our second string. There was more than enough on that pitch tonight to win the game. They looked like they thought they could just turn up and win in their sleep.
Laca was incredibly stupid. Would that be 3 games he misses now? We’ll go through, but can’t afford another game like that if we want to get to the end of this comp.
A Wenger team will still manage a draw in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodders
Please by the grace of all things good, just sack em all. The whole of the Spanish brigade. Darker times ahead with these clowns in charge.
When your manager decides that Kola and Niles(who has no business at RB) are gonna be your creative hubs. What do you expect:ilt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Be Careful What You Wish For...™
Not sure that's an entirely fair comparison. We lost having won the first away leg 3-0 so it was pretty much job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Although I do remember we went 2-0 down before sorting ourselves out.
Not good enough to lose that game but a bit of complacency was perhaps understandable.
Last night though...I don't even know if we will turn this around. We should do but...our defence. We are likely to concede a goal and that means we need 3.
We really have bolloxed this right up and made the 2nd leg far trickier and more pressured than it should be.
Emerys reaction.
This isn't exactly going to endear him to fans, Bate hadn't played since December, it was a terrible performance with a lack of effort and desire.Quote:
Arsenal head coach Unai Emery: "Next week we are going to play another 90 minutes and I am sure it is going to be different. Today the first half was a good performance for us, we had chances to score, sometimes last week our chances brought a goal and today they did not.
"We worked. I am happy with the players as we worked and we tried. They struggled also defensively when they were 1-0 up - and they are organised and a competitive team.
"Our big chance, our big opportunity and challenge is next week. I trust in our players and I trust in our stadium and supporters."
I think people are happy Wenger left, make no mistake what we're seeing now is in no small part down to him, however there was always going to be the issue that always exists at this club, which is whether they ever do anything properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
From the candidates we had in the running, none were truly outstanding elite managers based on their records, but that's what we wanted and we got it, at least Emery is better than Arteta.
The way I see it, Emery does need some time, I am a bit concerned by his errors right now, but then the squad is awful, next season however he won't be getting any byes, he needs get rid of the right players and bring some decent players in in the summer, if he doesn't manage that and sticks to rubbish like Mustafi, Xhaka, Mhiki etc he'll be in trouble.
If I had to rate our season so far under him it would be a 5 or 6 out of 10, one thing I'm not liking is his stubborness regarding the Ozil situation, managers that tend to get into disagreements with players like this have a tendency of failing because they choose pride/stubborness over the good of the team and that's never good, I'd understand it more if Ozil was a disruptive influence, but he's not that kind of player to be honest.
He should be spitting fire after that embarrassment.
I’d call for a managerial change, but this “Club” is a mess from top to bottom and all points in between.
If the owner doesn’t care, no one else will. Anybody who does care has only one option to maintain their sanity: to leave.
I agree, that kind of display shouldn't be getting any kind of credit for trying hard etc.
Agree about the managerial change, you can't trust this club to do it properly, it'll just be another shot in the dark, we're still trying to replace Mislintat anyway.
As for the owner, yeah we know he doesn't care, Usmanov selling his shares to him was terrible news for us, he's not interested in football (not the one with the round ball anyway), we're just a business, a business which by all intents and purposes he's quite happy to leave to run itself and perhaps use to fund his other ventures in time.
It is what it is, hey ho.
Some of what we are seeing this season, sure. But last night? I call bullshit on that, that was pure Emery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
And I call bullshit on us having an "awful" squad. They're basically all international players. Outside of the top 4 our squad is better than anyone in the PL.
The players are plenty good enough to beat BATE. The accepted "wisdom" from people like you was that Wenger was so incompetent that anyone would do better.
Well we've got anyone now. Wasn't quite as simple, was it?
Emery IS better than Arteta and he won the Europa League 3 times so he's no mug but what was that shit last night? Or against Huddersfield where we scraped past the worst team in the league. You can't blame that on the squad Wenger left him.
People like you were complaining that Wenger couldn't motivate them, that he stuck with players who weren't performing, that he played people out of position, that he was poor tactically, that he didn't care about the defence.
These criticisms were actually valid, but while I do think Emery needs time I expected better than this - we've seen at Utd how a different manager can make a massive difference immediately by getting the best out of the players. I don't expect any manager to come in and have us challenging, the squad is nowhere near good enough for that. But scraping past Huddersfield? Losing to pub teams. What is this shit?
There is so much fucking incompetence running throughout the club. We definitely needed to move on from Wenger but there are so many bigger problems.
Right now all the positivity I felt at the start of the season is gone.
:ilt:
Lets not debate over levels of shit, it's all shit regardless. In terms of complacency last night the players may have thought bollocks to this, we'll do them at home instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm sure we'll still go through but this squad is poor and the loser mentality that runs through this club is deep.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Isn't that all we've got left to debate?
I suppose you're right. :rose:
Which is why we are 5th and one point off fourth. Better than we were last season at this point. If you expected better, but we have the fifth best squad, what were the expectations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Take a look at Utd to see what happens during these transitions. And don't throw in Solskjaer, who has taken over a squad with more talent, and who are just pleased to have anyone in charge other than the miserable fucker who dragged them down to 9th place. He's had all of 11 games in charge. Remember we went on a 22 game unbeaten run too - Solskjaer offers no example of what can happen across a season. Utd finished 2nd then the Mourinho effect came in - as usual.
On our part, we have mostly the same players, under two different managers, and while there is some improvement, many of the same flaws still exist. Many said before the season started defence would be the biggest problem and unsurprisingly, that has turned out to be the case.
You said earlier in the thread that we didn't scrape past Huddersfield? Not sure why that's changed either.
We could've put out any side and beaten that team (see our team against them last season). They didn't need telling what to do against a pub team. It's as much their fault as it Emery's we were embarrassed last night.
I said we weren't lucky. We weren't, but it wasn't convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
You are making some sense, will reply more fully later.
Last night was cold, lack of effort, the players didn't fancy it, but these are largely Wenger players to be fair, he's the guy that bought them, brought them through etc it's no surprise they have no fight in them, this was always a problem with the Wenger players of recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You may say it's BS, but the proof is in the pudding, other than Auba, Lacazette, Torreira and Guendouzi who is really that good? We barely have any assets we can sell off which says a lot, this squad is awful, the defence is terrible, the midfield is average, it's only up front we are any good in reality, it needs rebuilding alost completely, no easy job.
As for doing better, it was always accepted it would take time, you don't come in after someone who has been there 22 years and controlled everything and suddenly turn it all around, but also Emery got very little money, the owner doesn't want to put any in and Wenger spent large parts of it before he was released.
Results are poor at the moment and there are things he could definitely do better, I'm not entirely sold on him, as mentioned he's not an elite coach, IMO the club didn't want to fork out on one so we didn't get one, but I think he needs another season to see if he can do better, he does need to make some serious changes next summer though, if he doesn't people won't be so forgiving.
I don't think it's been a great season and I do feel we should have sold more last summer and not kept hold of the likes of Mustafi/Xhaka etc it was clear to anyone they weren't good enough, Emery wanted to give them a chance so that's on him, as mentioned he's handled the Ozil situation terribly though and Ramsey should have been sold last summer, whether that's him, the club or both I don't know.
You said we never looked like dropping points, which sounds convincing. I didn't see the game for once, so can only go on what others say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Will look out for your reply about the rest later.