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Fuck them.
Anyone think we need to improve the defence for next season?
We were outclassed in truth, it wasn't even a contest in the second half. The sad thing is I really had high hopes for tonight but of course this flimsy, sorry excuse of a team once again proves itself to be a joke.
Ozil put in his most definitive performance yet. A performance that defines every reason why he should be sold.
The last 2 months of the season have been bullshit and Emery needs to carry the can for the collapse in the league and now this. Not good at all and his job ought to be on the line next season now.
Fuck the lot of them. I wouldn't be sorry to see any of them go except for an obvious few.
Just stay in Baku.
Too right. Fucking useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
One more season for Dick Emery to see if he can improve the zombies left behind by Wenger.
All we need now is those cunts down the road to win the CL. FFS.
Thought we had a good chance given Emerys' record in the EL, so really disappointed with this, it's just more of the same really another beating when it matters, Chelsea outclassed us.
In truth this team needs to be dismantled entirely, there's probably about 5 -6 players worth keeping, Leno, Torreira, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Bellerin and Guendouzi, the rest can be sold and with them hopefully all that's left of this bottling mentality that came about with the previous administration.
Frankly this season has been poor, we've been rubbish in the league when it mattered and if we're honest average in the EL as well losing games against nobodies.
The manager has to take some blame as well, not enough has changed and the collapse at the end of this season has been unacceptable, personally I'm not impressed with Emery he's got a lot to prove and I'm not sure he's up to the job, his job should definitely be at risk as this season has been a failiure and yet the guys at the top are telling us they're delighted with him, what kind of message does that send out.
Seems to me Emery might get years like his predecessor based on those words, only at Arsenal do you need to achieve nothing to keep your job, incidentally this was Sarris' first ever trophy, another first for us....
Right now this is a sorry excuse for a football club.
I just hope Rail, Vinai use this to explain to the Kroenkes why we need significant investment, ironically the 4-1 could help us in that way, but it's still a really shit and embarassing result
All that's left is to pray for a Liverpool victory in the CL
The hierarchy won’t do shit.
This club might be finished on a competitive level for the next decade.
We’ve had countless results worse than this embarrassment. I’ve lost count how many times we’ve had a result where someone, myself included has looked for the silver lining of it being a result that could possibly lead to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
How many times have we been here? Not just beaten, but absolutely bent over and humiliated? What has or will ever be done about it?
If there is any change, I promise you, it will be for the worse for as long as that bloodsucking parasite owns this club.
Frankly, we got what we deserved, another humiliation for the whole world to bear witness to.
To think we waited so many years for another European final just to make ourselves look like muppets. To think I laughed so hard at Watford !
We don't learn lessons at Arsenal, we never do, and anytime people try to point out our frailties we get all defensive and high mighty; just like a lot of us did to Cech for pointing out the obvious this week.
As for the match, Emery started our strongest team (except for maybe Bellerin) and that fact alone should scare all of us.
Tactically he was a bit slow today, he should have responded with changes once we went one down but to be honest, no matter how I play it in my head, I can't see these bunch of players and this manager winning that match and carrying the cup with the CL spot; it would be to great a leap for their fragile minds to fathom. I dont think Chelsea were that much better than us on the day, but hey, big clubs just do enough to win, especially when it matters.
So again we stare at dissappointment like we have been doing since Barca, our last great hurrah... we were like 20 mins away from glory with only 10 men against the best team in the world- compare that to losing 4-1 against a deflated Chelsea with a manager struggling to keep his job despite wrapping up CL football..... wow, these are really dark times at Arsenal FC.
There are no standards at this club and that comes from a lack of real football men at the top. Chelsea finished 3rd and won this but could well give their manager the boot. If Emery delivered what Sarri has he’d be our lord and saviour. Levels...
Say what you want about the hierarchy at certain other clubs but at least they have people at the top who are driven by footballing excellence and not the clubs business profile.
Fuck. See what you've reduced me to, Arsenal? I'm agreeing with Zim!Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Zim!
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As discussed, I'm in the US and it kicked off at 3pm here.
I was in the office then but wasn't too involved in the meeting going on around me so managed to stream some of it, saw most of the first half and a bit of the second.
Actually thought we started brightly, we bossed the first 30 minutes. After that Chelsea got into it and they had 2 good chances which Cech saved well.
I saw the Giroud goal but then had to leave the office so lost connectivity. By the time I got back to my hotel it was 4-1 :blink:
What the piss happened there?
Actually thought we'd win this one. I don't think Chelsea are a team to fear and given Emery's record thought we had a good chance.
As a season...well, we were marginally better in the league but the collapse at the end was pathetic, top 4 was there for the taking and we buggered that right up.
Tonight...well, one shouldn't judge a season by one game and overall our run in the competition was good but we really shouldn't be getting dicked like that.
I can take a narrow defeat but a thumping like that isn't good enough.
Emery is under pressure next season, he has to deliver more or #EmeryOut.
Says a lot when your best players were your retiring goalkeeper, and two subs.
I used to be gutted when we got beat. Now I’m just angry.
The sport is one I don’t recognise anymore due to the money in the game, but sadly we have the worst of all worlds when it comes to the bigger clubs....a club owned by a billionaire, who is only content with harvesting all of the cash out of the club, and taking it’s soul with it.
Yeah, if the shoe was on the other foot and all that. But seriously? Football? Enjoyable? Fuck off.
The worst thing about this for me is that I only checked the news to find out the result before going to bed... and then just shrugged. Angry, ranting fans are one thing - at least it shows they still care - but when it gets to the point where you’re just not that bothered anymore... that can’t be good for the club?
It starts and ends with the ownership. If the owner isn’t proactive, doesn’t show leadership or demonstrate passion and a desire to fight for this club, then nobody within it will. Anyone within the club that does show fight and passion will be driven out through frustration whilst surrounded by complacency and disinterest. We’ve seen this for a long time already. We had years of warnings before we approached and subsequently passed the tipping point.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
All passion, energy and desire has been driven out of the club and it is now even at the point where a significant part of the fan base are engulfed in this lack of interest.
In my opinion, there is nothing that will, or can be done, until Kroenke is gone.
I don't think he's shown anything as a coach that suggests he can get his players to go above and beyond what they're capable of. He's only contracted for another 2 seasons so realistically he needs to earn himself a new deal next year and the only way he will deserve that is CL qualification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The problem we have though is that no top coach will want to work with the financial restrictions we have. We're snookered for the foreseeable future.
To be fair, it’s not all on the club - in my case a big part of it is simply down to where my life is right now: I have more responsibility at work than I used to have in my teens and 20s, so I have less time during the day to idly chat football; I commute. I do all the cooking when I get in; and I have 2 little girls who deserve whatever’s left of my attention up until they’re asleep. Basically I end up with maybe half an hour to myself at the end of each day, and I just refuse to gamble that precious half hour on a game of football any more - it has too much potential to ruin my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
(Oh, and I lost my old man back in 2012, too - being able to follow the club with him was a big part of why I enjoyed being more invested in it.)
Don’t get me wrong, I’m actually quite happy being a casual, armchair fan these days - it’s far less stressful than following what we’re doing 24/7 - but even so, I’d still like to care about our results a little bit more than this!
And you’re right - that apathy starts at the top. It starts at the top and then just keeps going. The owners don’t care. The CEO and MD don’t care. The coach might care a little, but he’s the least permanent member of staff there. And most of the players clearly don’t care. Very hard to muster the energy to care yourself when you get the sense that no one at the club does...
You’ve got your priorities completely right. Regardless of how the team is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
There is only so much you can do with the team we have, Lots of has been and never have beens in this team. That was the best team we could have put out minus probably Leno, Holding and Bellerin. We have no defence and a weak midfield. a midfield that has Xhaka as the first name in it is going to be bang average ab inito. Without significantly better personnel or a change in the coaching crew, next season will look remarkably just like this one. We recruited the wrong manager to fix the sorry mess that Wenger left behind. We need to get the Wolves manger before he goes to Barca next season. NES is superior to Emery in every way.
This is a team without a single game changer in the entire squad....Not one.
I think he’s shown glimpses of interesting ideas, and we have strung some impressive patches together - the problem he has is this millstone of inherited players that he has tied around his neck. Before he can even attempt to coach his own ideas into those players, he first has to coach all of their bad habits out of them, teach them tactical basics (which he really shouldn’t have to at this level), and eradicate the meak acceptance of mediocrity that has become the dominant mindset and culture within the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If I thought there was any hope at all of him being able to do any of that, then I’d be happy to ride it out, but at this point, I honestly believe it would be better for us to get rid of as many of the worst offenders as possible, and give Emery the blankest canvas we can to work with. If that means a heavy reliance on our younger players and a couple of years of being well out of the running, then so be it...
Personally for the 1st time in years I'm really disappointed because despite everything this was a European trophy (I know lots of people see it as a tin pot trophy) and a possible sign of change after an indifferent season, I know this is a secondary european trophy but do you know what we haven't won one for so long and it would have got us in the CL, the money from it and a chance to get rid of a lot of these losers.
Sadly we lost, convincingly in the end (could have been even worse) and that ended any hope of change we might have. Unfortunately as someone said it comes from the top, the owner just couldn't care less, the people below him are publicly praising a manager who really hasn't done a lot and the players to be honest probably will go off on their hols and forget about this as they don't have the hunger and aren't winners.
When it comes with the manager, he didn't get a lot of money last summer, I'll give him that, but then he's not really changed that much, if we look at the team can anyone tell me that much has changed in the way we play or perform, if it has it's very hard to see. Emery brought in Suarez in January which was an utterly pointless signing, he wasn't any good and barely played. As for the collapse at the end of the season, no excuses really, he should have been able to affect the players in some way to stop the rut, instead all and sundry were beating us.
Even in the EL we've been average most of the time, it's not exactly been an impressive display. Special mention for AMN as well, 3 errors 3 goals, should have been off way before that to be honest, you can't make 3 errors leading to 3 goals in one game. IMO he's a rubbish defender, if he has to play it has to be in midfield and if he does he needs to perform or be scrapped.
Honestly don't know where we go from here, looks like we'll have no money so we'll probably see a lot of these bottlers again, can we even sell most of these guys and if we do it'll be for peanuts.
Another sad day for AFC.
Giroud taking the piss.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/30/olivi...ctory-9735512/
An Arsenal man indeed.
Emery is not the coach to give a blank canvas to. He's never been great and he will never be great. This season is a true reflection on who he is a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
He ain't good enough and he never has been. He's a Europa League manager, simple as.
We were pretty good for 40 minutes. But once they scored in 2nd half we were dross. The fact our glimmer of hope lasted 3 minutes typifies arsenal.
Look at united the problems they have had replacing Ferguson despite the money spent and he left them as champions.
I fear we will go through a fair few managers before being competitive and with a 40m budget we might have to wait for the cyclical nature of football to help us.
We are an europa league club.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Perhaps we need to use the youth players. Give them a chance. Just need to find a manager who can develop them.
What is an “Arsenal man” these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
And, who was the last one you’d call an “Arsenal man”?
Serious questions because I can’t think of a current example.
I'm not too sure what Emery has shown if I'm being honest, we started the season unable to perform in the 1st half (this went on for months) despite winning games, we ended the season losing game after game and not knowing where our next win would come from, even against 10 man Watford we got completely dominated and were lucky to scrape a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
He's not improved the defence at all, the style of play isn't that great to watch, off the ball we're no better than we were and the same players get away with error after error (AMN last night) with few repercussions.
I'm starting to feel like he's just not having enough of an impact, he's not enough of a disciplinarian, IMO we needed someone tougher, someone who wouldn't accept some of the performances, he's not covered himself in glory this season, I understand the players are average but still we should be seeing more of a system and more of an obvious impact.
Even last night he wasn't particularly angry, he seemed to say we're a work in progress, which is true bu 4-1 in a final isn't acceptable.
Based on what we've seen this season and his career, he doesn't on the face of it appear to be a top manager, he's got another season but he really needs to show something more concrete, the team needs to have a clearer identity brought in by him, right now it's not that different to what was there before and that's just not good enough.
No idea, the club has no identity anymore and the team is very hard to like.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
The whole thing needs to be demolished and levelled before we can even think about moving forward. Losing is firmly embedded in the DNA of this club now.
Always was worried about Hazard, he's a world class player who affects games and makes things happen, we should have our own in Ozil but to be honest mentally the guy seems to have signed off, he seems to lack any real hunger to win or perform these days, he's a shadow of the player he once was.
When Hazard was available we decided to sign Gervinho, granted Hazard cost more, but Gervinho has come and gone without doing anything whilst Hazard has proven his quality.
We just need some other billionaire to buy us to save us from this mess, unfortunately noone seems interested in buying us, can't blame them though the club is overvalued, how is a club that wins nothing and fails so often worth over 2 billion?
The only reason we are worth more than $2.5billion is because there are plenty of Billionaires out there who would gladly cough out even 4 billion to buy this club. Sadly Kroenke aint selling. Now if only Mackenzie Bezos would make Wiggy an offer he couldnt refuse
That's the point, they won't, Usmanov was the only one but he own a big chunk, noone else has shown the slightest interest. Kroenke would sell if he got enough he's a businessman after all, he never will though so we're stuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The likes of Newcastle are getting bought out now, won't be long before we slide behind them with their millions.
Let’s face it, Kroenke isn’t going anywhere and will remain here for a very long time. He knows he’s hit the jackpot with us.
We’re a real sad state of a “top” club and the downward spiral is only going to continue unless someone at the top suddenly gains an interest on sporting matters rather than business.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl19eb6HFbk&t=232s
DT raging at the fan in the back :haha:
Yes it was this guy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiaRsnw8oXI
This club has made to many mistakes, bearing in mind Kroenke was never going to invest and we were set on a sustainable model we absolutely should have got rid of Wenger years before, by allowing him (and Gazidis) to stay on our cash reserves basically disappeared due to really poor transfer deals and contracts meaning that now the new manager has no money and no real assets to raise any.
The decision to bring in a new manager was done at the worst time for us really, had we let Wenger go a few years ago we could now have rebuilt, as it stands now though we've barely got any money too and have a squad of average players we need to replace.
The club has rewarded failure for too long, giving new contracts to players, pay rises and big money to people who didn't deserve it, we're paying the price now and the only ones who really seem to care are the fans.
Yes I agree Zim.
Wenger should never have signed Ozil in the first place, never let his and Alexis's contract run down and then paid Ozil 350k a week to stay.
I'm sure Emery wants Ramsey to stay but we cannot have this situation where players run their contracts down and expect 300k a week to stay.
Wenger has so much to answer for.He signed moderate players for big money and let too many contracts run down.
WTF was he thinking ?
A lot of players now need to be kicked out and replaced with younger, hungrier players who are not big stars yet.
I live in Norfolk and my local team which is Norwich, sold at least 2 of their best players in 2018 and replaced them with lots of very cheap, young, hungry players.
They won the Championship and are now in the PL and will be getting at least 170 million now.
That is what needs to be done but on a much larger scale, as Arsenal need to get rid of maybe 8 players.
Auba has two years left on his contract. Do we sell if he doesn’t sign an extension? That’s the promise from the suits up above apparently.