Arsenal there for the taking says Keane.
What was he smoking? :lol:
That glorious point takes us back up to fourth. :bow:
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Arsenal there for the taking says Keane.
What was he smoking? :lol:
That glorious point takes us back up to fourth. :bow:
Carragher says Chelsea would buoyed by that.
They lost at Old Trafford 4 fucking nil!
Rancid.
The problem with Arsenal is Emery who simply doesn’t understand team connections and interplay.
There is no fucking relationship between the individual components, which just leave Geundouzi having to tear about trying to make things happen
And Pepe is a waste of money
It's the best we can ever expect from these games unfortunately.
Second season in a row Utd have been there for the taking, Utd's worst league start in 30 years, they're a complete mess but it's us, away, at Old Trafford. Absolutely no chance we will win.
I'd hate to be a supporter of either team:rolleyes:
our set pieces were truly truly awful tonight - tbh we had enough corners and FKs in good positions to have got another goal if we'd got the delivery right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVxO12qXZkQQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Two bang average teams trying their hardest to fuck up the least.
Shite line up again from Emery. Xhaka is utterly pointless in this team. Saka, Guendouzi and Chambers were all superb, and the class of Auba got us the draw. How bad was Pepe :lol:
Serious waste. How long is his contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Another dud like fucking Ozil.
Stan wont give Dickie any more funds.
We could have won this game with a clued in manager
Dire game. Saka and Chambers were the positives. Pepe absolutely dreadful.
I wonder how many goals we concede on the break from our own poor set pieces.
This is what happens when you use a kilidascope to pick your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Bruce Rioja out!
A turd-off, as most expected between a shit manager and a conservative one.
Just a needlessly cowardly approach. It's soul-sucking to watch.
Auba, Saka and Guendouzi once again the positives.
Much like under Wenger, it will take injuries to senior favourites for Emery to stumble upon a XI that works well together. If Bellerin, Holding and Tierney can't force their way in, it's hopeless.
Xhaka and Ceballos are reaching new lows in set-piece woefulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I fundamentally don't understand the football this team plays.
It's like literally all our goals come by accident
Don't forget Pepe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
If you want a reading of how good this game was: De Gea gets a bonus point on Fantasy Football, with a score of only 17. :haha:
Pepe should not be starting games,not sure what the problem is with him but its clear he is not going to hit the ground running.The young guns are doing far more than him at the moment.
Europa and Milk Cup may be the only sources of enjoyment this season, because we'll see players who deserve to be playing rather than seniors who are rewarded for not even approaching mediocrity.
The Willock situation sums it up. Play well in every game and get benched.
Explains why the so called big teams weren’t making an effort to sign Pepe
I didn't see a second of it and I didn't know the team selection until after the match had finished.
I looked at the score at half time and saw Arsenal were losing and I was not surprised at all.
I'm very surprised Arsenal got a draw and after being behind at Old Trafford, a draw is not too bad.
Man Utd were crap against West Ham and Arsenal still could not beat them.
I don't know what to say that hasn't been said before.
Arsenal seem to be allergic to pressure and crumble when even the smallest amount is applied.
Its the same old, same old, same old, same old, same old story.
I wouldn’t say they crumbled under pressure in this instance.
They just don’t look a cohesive unit.
A better game plan, with a settled eleven that isn’t pulled about, chopped and changed around a failing central midfielder would be a start.
Two shit teams played shit football. We are worse now than at the lowest point of the Wenger era. Xhaka is our captain. That’s right, Xhaka. Let that sink in. And our record signing? Fuck me, Pepe is a complete fucking bust. I wish I was drunk.
At least our goal meant Utd have had their worst start in 30 years :haha:
Every year feels like our worst start in 30 years
On the plus side, we do have some very promising players.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
We just lack some leadership from Emery.
The likes of Saka, Willock and Geundouzi look excellent players. But we need some solidity and game management around them. Hopefully Bellerin and Tierney can stop us from getting so stretched....but Xhaka is fucking awful.
This. Basically there are 2 good teams in the PL, after Liverpool and City it's 50 Shades of Shit, we're all terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
We might well end up top 4 but if we do it'll be by being slightly less shit than the others. We have some quality players but as a team we are very mediocre.
I don't agree we're worse than the last season of Wenger but if we are better it's incremental at best. The same failings are still evident.
Oh also. Obviously it's good it did but why the hell does VAR need to be used to get that decision right for our goal.
He was 2 maybe 3 yards onside :blink:
Wright has a hard on for Ozil for some reason. Has he started drinking?
Genuinely think Guendo should be captain.
He's the only one out there offering what a captain should. He leads by example, drives the team forward and bollocks the players when they're not putting in a shift like a leader should. He was the one that kickstarted our comeback against Villa by in effect saying 'fuck this' and grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck, and he and was the only one stopping us getting routed on the counter today by fighting for every ball.
He's only a year younger than Adams was when he became captain, and there's nobody else in the team that lifts the team like he does.
Give him the armband, IMO.
2 shite teams.
2 shite coaches.
Plenty of shite players.
That’s United and Arsenal for you these days.
Emery's negativity is starting to do my nut.
The negativity is irritating for sure but it’s the soulless football that’s killing me. What is his philosophy? What is he trying to achieve? What players have improved under him? I honestly can’t identify with anything I’m seeing.
Even Brendan Rogers has made a bigger impact at Leicester with less to work with than Emery has got.
maybe appointing Rogers wouldn't have been such a bad thing. they can sell players and it doesn't affect them too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
United were there for the taking, they were really poor and most of there shots were from distance.
Its nice that VAR works for once but without Auba.... I dread to think where we would be. That Xhaka free kick where he just boots it out for a goal kick expecting Chambers to run for it...sums him up. Pepe £70m wow... he was toilet. Some good players and I think it will be a battle for top 4 between ourselves, Chavs, Spuds, Leicester and United (if they are still in touch come transfer window).
Shocking though that Emery has 3 more points than Wenger for the start of his reign compared to the end of Wengers but we have scored less and conceded more. We were in decline under Wenger and Emery hasn't made a single difference.
I still think we will scrap into the top 4 but at the end of the season should get rid.
All your questions are valid and why this manager needs to go ASAP- even if it's us sticking Freddie their for a while, who I think might be behind the fact that we are getting our joy only from our young players ATM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
As for the game, you've all said it, poor conditions with two under performing teams led by two mediocre managers.
Analysing though, I think this was one of Emery's best days of recent (which should scare everyone as we only got a fortuitous draw and the opposition was pretty poor). Starting with the lineup, the idea of the front 3 made a lot of sense. This was easily our most comfortable game defending in the EPL and it's not because our defenders got better but because the front 3 meant United were pinned down to an extent. Some of us have been calling for this exact tactic in these kind of games and despite Pepe's poor performance, Saka and Auba's performances were enough to give our defence a breather.
He also started Torriera which meant cover and stability for our beleaguered defence from the onset while Captain Marvel was allowed to make foul after foul and be as pointless as usual. Imagine if Wilock had rightly taken his place, maybe our front 3 would have actually had proper supply to effect damage.
Chambers was ok, he needs to get more confidence but he is a better and more effective defender than AMN. I'm tired of Kolasnic and would love to see him out of the starting lineup for good, a very average player whose only distinction is he has fight in him. The 2 CBs were just borderline ok and at every moment you felt a penalty was in the offing, that partnership needs to be ended as soon as possible. I also think Leno was the most suspect thing about our defence last night. He inspired no confidence in the 1st half and if you look carefully at the goal, after the first wave of the attack he already looked beaten before the shot. I've not seen a keeper which such consistent poor composure in a long time. Obviously his opposite was a marvel of professionalism and you knew you would need some luck or something special to beat him.
The most shocking thing about last night was that playing from the back actually seemed to work a little bit. It's probably because the opposition were so nervous and the ref helped a lot too by consistently blowing.
In all, Emery's average tactics worked and I'm sure he's beaming wherever he is as he only hoped for a draw and that's the best a really poor manager like him can really fathom from these kind of games.
Thank you VAR and the great gift that is Auba (AW all is forgiven......).
Oh and Saka is a real real special talent. An awsesome performance from the young lad. The youngsters are just the best thing about this season, shame we don't have a good manager to make their effort count.
Xhaka is totally redundant in this team, so for him to be made captain and pretty much a guaranteed starter is the ultimate kick in the balls. He wasn't the worst performer last night (Pepe was comically bad), but he offers nothing offensively and is a complete liability defensively.
Midfield should be 3 from Torreria, Guendouzi, Ceballos and Willock.
Emery really is a bang average manager.
Isn’t Emery’s contract up at the end of the season?