Vigil v Brighton (home)

Wow.

Man City next at home in the league. :rose:

Utter disaster of a season now, if it wasn't before. Would've gone 5th win a win, heady heights.

As it is, now well and truly mid table.

For 20 mins we played high tempo. Looked sort of good but didnt create huge amounts but looked on top. Yet brighton weathered the storm and won.

If man city attack like they can they could put 5 past us. 22 league goals this year and we concede in every game. That is not a good combination.

A new manager wont resolve this.

Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd are the next three home league games. Oh dear.

Pepe did his best to make things happen but that's about all

We need Allegri in right now to steady the ship

If the Kronkes are not got out of this club, we are totally f====d. What manager worth his salt is going to take this job with this bunch of waster's, I just can't see how we are going to get out of this mess. We need to get owners in that are committed to this club.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Pepe did his best to make things happen but that's about all

We need Allegri in right now to steady the ship

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Why would allegri want to join. Bayern job is vacant.

We are getting dangerously close to needing alladyce in to steady the ship!!

Relegation form, worrying times for the club.

Just cannot are us winning ANY game these days. City at home next is gonna be torture.

West ham away
City home
Everton away
Bournemouth away
Chelsea home

This team will be relegated unless drastic action is taken. Kroenkes not capable of grasping or addressing the situation

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd are the next three home league games. Oh dear.

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With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall immediately is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

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Originally Posted by Özim

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

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While I agree that Wenger had to go 5 years ago at least, we were never this shit under him. We used to beat these teams comfortably at home.

We have become a mid table team and it’s worrying because we are below Sheffield, Wolves and level on points with Newcastle and only a handful of points ahead of 18th.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

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Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

With these matches and the lineups Freddie is pushing out, I think its safe to say our season is over and we will probably finish at the bottom half of the table.

As for a quick fix, the only manager I can think of that could stabilize this team and stop us from this freefall is Rafa and its mainly because he knows this league already.

Another mistake or more dithering could lead to a relegation fight. I really hoped this day would never come.

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I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

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Originally Posted by Özim

To be honest this was always going to happen at some point, it took us years to get rid of Wenger which is where the rot started, had we got rid 5-6 years ago we wouldn't be where we are (he has to take a lot of the blame for this), Gazidis walked away when he should have also been sacked year ago, Emery should have been sacked in the summer and we should have replaced him with a manager immediately when he was, this is all down to the owners though, they don't care, to think people were happy that Kroenke bought Usmanov out....shocking!

We're in real trouble now, we need to get a top manager who has a rigid system like Allegri or Simeone, someone who can implement a bit of discipline and won't accept 2nd rate performances and poor effort.

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I agree 100% with you..... though I think the cheap andd smart compromise would be recruiting Rafa till the end of the season. Similar to what he did with the chavs that year.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

While I agree that Wenger had to go 5 years ago at least, we were never this shit under him. We used to beat these teams comfortably at home.

We have become a mid table team and it’s worrying because we are below Sheffield, Wolves and level on points with Newcastle and only a handful of points ahead of 18th.

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We we're pretty rubbish to be fair playing boring football, but the league is stronger now with better teams, Wenger was already falling away when we finally sacked him. It all started there, he brought in sub standard players, wasting most of the money we had, allowed our best players to run down their contracts and leave and never ever had a go at his players even when they got thrashed and there were a fair few of those.

That's where it all started, again though we were too slow to replace Emery, that's sums up this club, lacking ambition and too slow to do anything.

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

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I have said rafa before. He is used to coming into a crisis club. He has won things. He knows the league and more realistic than allegri and simone who would have a much steaper learning curve

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

I agree re Rafa. Would be a good appointment and I’m sure he’d swap us for the Chinese league.

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Yes, me too if we can't get Allegri

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Originally Posted by Özim

Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

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Can't believe Freddie just sat on his arse at the end of that game instead of urging them on, total lack of leadership when they needed it

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

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I agree xhaka has to play he is better than guendouzi and we have no one else. Letting ramsey go on a free was insane as we have no goals from midfield. Cant just rely on laca and auba

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

People going on about Xhaka, what other options do we have? Guendouzi is a headless chicken who has no assists not any defensive nous and his display against Norwich was shocking. We don’t have anyone better than Xhaka and that’s why he plays every time.

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Torreira should be playing in front of the defence, he's very good at that, Guendouzi has legs at least, can also play Luiz there as he's better in midfield, Chamber is better there as well, take your pick, Xhaka is just the favourite, he should be nowhere near the team on talent or due to his behaviour, he almost cost us a 3rd goal when he got caught o the ball.

Martinelli or Pepe should have started as well as should Tierney over Kolasinac.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Can't believe Freddie just sat on his arse at the end of that game instead of urging them on, total lack of leadership when they needed it

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He's not a leader, that's just not him and from what I can tell he's learnt from his predecessors which isn't a good thing.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Wow.

Man City next at home in the league. :rose:

Utter disaster of a season now, if it wasn't before. Would've gone 5th win a win, heady heights.

As it is, now well and truly mid table.

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We are in a relegation dog fight my friend. Make no mistake about that.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

I have said rafa before. He is used to coming into a crisis club. He has won things. He knows the league and more realistic than allegri and simone who would have a much steaper learning curve

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Most people looked past him because it seemed like we weren't in a crisis. I know that was the reason I did.

Anyway its clear now to everyone how serious this battle we face is.

I think more importantly we just need to stabilize our club and shelve our dreams of having a manager that would be the envy of our former rivals.

LOL - I forgot we were playing. Just seen the score now. Can't say it surprises me because Brighton are a well organised team.

I, like many others, warned that Wenger would transform this club into a mid-table team. And I apologise for that. I should have said relegation team.

Well, the season is an absolute write-off now, so no harm trying some really crazy shit.

If we end up in a relegation fight, which is looking increasingly likely, who feels confident this team is equipped to deal with it?

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Originally Posted by Bumble

I agree xhaka has to play he is better than guendouzi and we have no one else. Letting ramsey go on a free was insane as we have no goals from midfield. Cant just rely on laca and auba

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Emery taking the deal of the the table was my first big gripe with him and I knew that decision would come back to haunt us in a big way.

Man the guy did a number on us!

Indeed. Emery took the deal off the table. Then he had to rely on Ramsey. Aaron showed nothing but class and professionalism throughout that period right up to the day he left.

Now look at us.

Ughh

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Originally Posted by Bumble

West ham away
City home
Everton away
Bournemouth away
Chelsea home

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We might get a draw vs the Hammers away.

Gypos is a guaranteed loss.

Everton away - maybe a draw.

Bournemouth away - we'll lose that one.

Chavs at home - a loss.

I'd say 2 points from 15 coming up. And that should plunge us into the relegation fight. We won't actually get relegated. In fact, somewhere along the line we'll probably string a few results together and finish in a mid-table spot. But if we don't sort out this shit at board and executive level we'll be in a genuine relegation scrap next season. And I have no confidence we'll sort it out, because it was the same Kroenke's who watched Wenger gut the whole operation, and the hired a limp-wristed replacement on the strength of a decent Powerpoint presentation (apparently). Klopp was the guy - we missed that. Then Pep - we missed that. Now it's Simeone but we won't even try. And, make no mistake, the next guy has to have as much power as Wenger did because plainly there's nobody else at the club who can make a decision worth pissing on. We can't be blaming Freddie for this - he's just a guy on the spot, one week into a nightmare. We'd better be blaming the wankers who watched the idiot stabbing holes in the hull every week while they fiddled on deck.

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Originally Posted by The Unaibomber

Indeed. Emery took the deal off the table. Then he had to rely on Ramsey. Aaron showed nothing but class and professionalism throughout that period right up to the day he left.

Now look at us.

Ughh

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I think you're forgetting about the sustainability model we pride ourselves in. Seriously, they boast about it. It's almost as if balancing the books is the new Top 4 Trophy. Arsenal has more than enough to punch out of this if everyone is committed. But we're pinning it all on a magical manager to transform the complacency and laziness and sheer head-in-the-sand idiocy of at least a decade.

Years back, they decided Football Fair Play was going to be a thing and they spotted a way to profit from that whilst propping up the illusion of competitiveness (or, shall we say, the whole point of the sport). Many of the fans were conned, and so Wenger lingered and rotted us out, year after year. We're halfway down the plunge now with gravity working against us. And the main question still seems to be, who can we bring in to defeat gravity. Bigger (and saner) questions than that need asking.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Ljungberg is having a shocker to be honest, just a continuation of what we saw under Emery, can't believe he's still playing Xhaka.

We need a new manager now, I'd take Allegri or Simeone as well, proper disciplinarians.

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If Simeone is available now then yes we should take him. But honestly...this season is over anyway regardless of who comes in so I'd much rather wait until the end of the season.

We won't go down and we won't be finishing top 4 or winning FA Cup or Europa irrespective of who is in charge, the team has too many issues IMO.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I think you're forgetting about the sustainability model we pride ourselves in. Seriously, they boast about it. It's almost as if balancing the books is the new Top 4 Trophy. Arsenal has more than enough to punch out of this if everyone is committed. But we're pinning it all on a magical manager to transform the complacency and laziness and sheer head-in-the-sand idiocy of at least a decade.

Years back, they decided Football Fair Play was going to be a thing and they spotted a way to profit from that whilst propping up the illusion of competitiveness (or, shall we say, the whole point of the sport). Many of the fans were conned, and so Wenger lingered and rotted us out, year after year. We're halfway down the plunge now with gravity working against us. And the main question still seems to be, who can we bring in to defeat gravity. Bigger (and saner) questions than that need asking.

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We spent a ton of money this summer, it's looking like it was in the wrong areas...but we can't play the pauper anymore, Emery spent a fortune over the past 2 summer windows. Money is no longer the issue.

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Originally Posted by The Unaibomber

If we end up in a relegation fight, which is looking increasingly likely, who feels confident this team is equipped to deal with it?

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No. Too many average players with no spirit. We really are in the shit.

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Originally Posted by selassie

We spent a ton of money this summer, it's looking like it was in the wrong areas...but we can't play the pauper anymore, Emery spent a fortune over the past 2 summer windows. Money is no longer the issue.

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We also cleared a lot of money off the books, so the net spend wasn't as impressive as you might imagine. But yes, we spent. I think our spending has been more out of desperation though, more designed to replace what's leaving rather than build on what we have. Alexis and Ramsey wanting out dictated a lot of what we did in the transfer windows. It's likely the main reason why, unbelievably, we haven't sunk cash into a quality central defender. That's where the money should have gone. Followed up by some quality in the middle. But we haven't had a sensible strategy for contracts and transfers in a long time. Ever since Wenger virtually helped Cesc out the door to follow his dreams and his DNA, we haven't had the first clue. Every priority fucked up in every way.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Torreira should be playing in front of the defence, he's very good at that, Guendouzi has legs at least, can also play Luiz there as he's better in midfield, Chamber is better there as well, take your pick, Xhaka is just the favourite, he should be nowhere near the team on talent or due to his behaviour, he almost cost us a 3rd goal when he got caught o the ball.

Martinelli or Pepe should have started as well as should Tierney over Kolasinac.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

No. Too many average players with no spirit. We really are in the shit.

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I agree, no-one's 'too good to go down' and i think all the other teams have the potential to get results, Newcastle have turned their season around and the promoted teams are mostly doing well.

If we can't even manage a draw at home against Brighton we are so fucked - we need to throw money at a really experienced manager now, whatever it takes, this is not time for a freddie or arteta

Can’t believe how much of an utter shambles we are. Forget the coach, most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt.

If we cannot get it together over Christmas, make no mistake about it we will find ourselves looking at the relegation zone. There isn’t a single team in the league we can be confident of beating. What a fucking shit show, someone remind me, why did we move to the Emirates again?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Can’t believe how much of an utter shambles we are. Forget the coach, most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt.

If we cannot get it together over Christmas, make no mistake about it we will find ourselves looking at the relegation zone. There isn’t a single team in the league we can be confident of beating. What a fucking shit show, someone remind me, why did we move to the Emirates again?

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The move has to be seen as a failure, we have gone backwards beyond recognition. We became attractive to scum like Kroenke, and we are now seeing the consequences of this.

This team is completely broken but at least we wont have to play in the Europa League next season :yippee: