How many 3-0 defeats against them now?
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How many 3-0 defeats against them now?
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Fair play to luiz he is showing that mustafi isnt the worst defender at arsenal. Do not extend contract.
Utter hopeless. A game like that is hardly going to encourage auba to sign not that he did much himself.
Hopeless team, hopeless manager, hopeless club.
Arteta must have a very high opinion of himself to have seen this shitshow and thought he could make a fist of it. We should have gone for the Don. His team would not have tanked this badly. Can Arteta at least finish in the top half?
Anyone would be better than Wenger :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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As I posted elsewhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGHufp8Huac
I don't care we lost per se, it's just the grim inevitability of it. We can't even give the top club a game any more. Embarrassing.
Complete waste of time.
That game could be played 100 times and you’d probably get the same result 99 times and the other one would be 2-0 instead of 3.
Mid table life. :bow:
Unless Arteta is a miracle worker he isn’t going to do much with this bang average team.
Pathetic.
Not that it matters anyway.
We're literally that mid-table team with nothing to play for at the end of the season now.
I actually agree. Arteta is not a premier league Manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
So a global pandemic couldn't dent the infallible predictability of it all?
How was our backwards and sideways game? Is the old magic still there?
Arsenal are winless in their past 26 Premier League away games against fellow 'big six' opposition (D10 L16), with their last such victory coming at Etihad Stadium in January 2015 (2-0).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51601979
Five years since an away win. Referring to us as being ‘fellow’ big 6 is becoming a bit of a stretch. There is nothing big about this Club any more.
Stats like that are not that instructive though. We beat Leicester away when they won the league.
However you certainly can say we shit the bed away at what would be considered our rivals. :lol:
Fair point Maccy.
However, it does open up another issue. While we can say over that time period, we were part of what would be called, the big 6, we are trending away from being considered a big club in terms of results.
Recently, we were an undisputed part of a duopoly, then the Top 4, now we are hanging on to a big 6 tag.
What a total shit show.
This team is a fucking embarrassment.
I can take losing to Citeh, as it's them after all, but how about actually trying? show a bit of fight, hell, even just play fucking football!!
We didn't even try after 10 mins - this season is done.
Arteta still doesn't have a clue.
Why play Aubameyang? The guy hasn't signed and clearly doesn't know if he wants to stay, so don't play him.
Xhaka picked again - glad he's fucking injured, that should see him out till we can sell him.
No Pepe, No Martinelli, No Torriera, Ceballos on the bench - just fuck off you greasy haired, Spanish twat.
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Ozil was left out for tactical reasons apparently. For the love of god can this guy just be let go?
No idea why Pepe or Martinelli weren’t given any time.
Arteta. :haha:
Looking every bit the rookie.
Apparently Luiz's red card is being appealed
...by Brighton
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I think we are really missing that array of technical players we used to have in abundance and perhaps take for granted. There just doesn’t appear to be any chemistry in this team, no guile with how we move the ball and construct passages of play, no one any good in tight spaces either. It’s all just very ponderous and easily telegraphed by the opposition.
Even the games we win are often chores to watch.
If we have any money to spend I would put an attacking midfielder on the list along with a decent CB.
Like I said, we are less than the sum of our parts. I don't think our squad is that bad but we are not a good team.
This is what you get when you pick someone without even 1 game managing. Joke of an appointment and proving that he's not equipped to be manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We can't get a shot on target, the football is boring (gone back to the Wenger days) and his lineups and tactics are shocking. He's also playing Auba our best player on the wing.
All in all shocking performance from him, yes he hasn't got the best squad but he certainly should be doing a whole lot better than he has been doing, it's been very disappointing, another sub-standard manager.
The manager came in to change things, we've been pretty average from day 1 of his time here, we should have been alarmed when he came out and said he wants to get the spirit back from when he was here in 2016 (why would anyone want to?), so far he's done precious little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
On top of that he's brought some shockers back into the fold and made them regulars, Xhaka, Mustafi and of course his insistence on playing Luiz at the back, not being funny but the guy has been a liability at the back for years, if you're to play him anywhere play him as a DM.
He's also playing Aubameyang, our best finisher on the wing.
Pretty shocking state of affairs really, his post match interview wasn't much better, didn't want to come down on his players and was defending Luiz, in fact he wanted the Arsenal board to give this chump a new contract.
What a mess, the way I see it he has to take blame too, nothing he's done since he arrived has made the slightest difference, we haven't move up the table, we were humbled in the EL and the style has got if anything more dull as we not struggle to create.
Should have never been appointed, was a mistake to take on a rookie all day long.
But he's anyone :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Anyway, more seriously. I think he's doing OK. It's depressing that we cannot compete in these games but that problem goes back years.
He deserves a transfer window and a proper run at things next season IMO.
He wasn’t the appointment we needed, but then again, he isn’t responsible for the mess.
There are so many things wrong with Arsenal, in almost every area imaginable, I’m at a loss to know where to begin.
I genuinely hate what this Club has become. It is nothing more than a vehicle to enrich a select view individuals at the expense of people who built and supported this Club through generations.
It has been left rudderless and has done nothing but meander rather than innovate and grow since 2004. It has throughout that time alienated those who provided it with the most support while fleecing them and outright lying about its current reason for being and plans for the future.
It has degenerated so much, that anything positive will eventually end in tragedy. Aubamayang is the latest example. He flourished through his own work and is now way too good for this Club, he will be more potential unfulfilled for us.
Next up will be Leno.
The rot is almost complete.
I agree with all of this, Arteta's had three months to watch past performances and think about players, tactics etc but judging from last night he hadn't learnt a thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
if Auba had any doubts about leaving they will all be gone now, completely isolated last night on the left and while that's partly because Tierney was too busy defending to get forward, it still shows he's not being played where he should - I don't know what he must think at being passed over for CF in favour of an academy lad, promising or not.
tbh our best chance against Citeh was probably just pumping balls over the top with Auba at CF and hoping he got onto one of them, that might at least have got us one goal last night.
:gp: Depressing, but accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
When I were a lad the club was well run, run by generations of people who really loved the club.
Now we're a shambles, run by a businessman with no actual interest in the club. It's rotten to the core.
i still think the blame lies more with Raul and co than the Kroenkes - the Kroenkes are trusting them as supposedly football people to run the club properly but instead they're running it like their own little mafia, lining the pockets of their agent matesQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think Josh is maybe a little more savvy - note that apparently it was him that was against Emery being given a new contract when Raul wanted to
but i also suspect that he's so new to football that he can't really see the extent of the problem or know how to deal with it
we need to get rid of Raul and co in favour of people who run the club better - though i've no idea who those people are but maybe look at a well-run club like Sheffield Utd
Recruitment has been mostly terrible for a number of years now. I mean, we’ve got a 70m player that hasn’t been trusted all season.
We HAD a £70m player.
We don’t any more.
Which proves your point.
We are definitely not a top 4 team anymore. Honestly hand on heart think the likes of Leicester & Wolves are better than us now. They have better starting XI and better managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We are 7th-8th best team in PL IMO.
good point, what would we get for him now - half that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
he's been treated disgracefully, you can imagine what he was told about playing regularly, being a core part of the team etc when he agreed to come here, instead he's sidelined completely now
i've no doubt he's pissed off, and I've also no doubt that is being interpreted by Arteta as his being 'difficult' and like Emery, Arteta is probably trying to wave his small dick around to show who's boss
meanwhile the teachers' pets like Xhaka, Luiz and Mustafi can do no wrong in Arteta's eyes
it's all a total joke
I'll be honest, I think he's doing a terrible job, wrong choice in the 1st place but I don't see an improvement, our attack has totally gone to pot under him and his lineups are questionnable, I just don't think he's much of a manager, he just came with hype and that's why he got the job, so far it's not justified at all, he doesn't look tactically astute, seems incapable of spotting weaknesses and isn't getting the team to perform, just shows that being assistant manager is pretty meaningless in terms of becoming a manager in your own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
This guy should have started in some lower league somewhere, not come here, now we're stuck with him and his boring, predictable football, it's like Wenger all over again!
Of course it's not just him, it's the whole club from top to bottom, it's an embarrassment to big clubs.
Pepe should be playing, we need to get the best out of him he cost us a lot, another error by Arteta in a long list of them, doesn't seem to be able to get the best out of anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
To be honest it's a disgrace Auba wasn't up front last night, Nketiah may be promising but he hasn't done an awful lot and he should be on the wing if anyone, we created nothing yesterday. Like you say we should have been trying to get it to Aubameyang and hoped he put one or two away, was never going to happen with him on the wing and Nketiah up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I just don't believe in this guy, he's not made us any better and is doing so much wrong, why can't we get a manager with the common sense to play the right people in the right place? Hopefully Arteta doesn't last too long, once he goes we can only pray for a decent appointment, but that's probably too much for the club.
Yes, but that's because you show repeatedly that you have no ability to think in anything other than binary terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Players/Managers etc are either brilliant or they're terrible. Nothing in between.
In real life, it's a bit more complicated.
I'm not sure he's the right choice, I agree there hasn't been huge improvement but he hasn't been here long and deserves a transfer window or two. I'd say next season is the real test for him.
Why cant you let a thread take its natural course. You always jump in here trying to rile people up. Ozim has been right Wenger was a bust. Wenger is gone. Ozim also didnt fancy Arteta. Now we see that he might not be right for us. What part of that ticks you off so regularly? You are just miserable every day. We are here trying to analyse another miserable defeat and you as ever start off with your Wenger love jeremaid.
It's not just that for me, it's how little impact he's had, even when he first arrived, when managers generally have players attention and tend to get better performances out of them for a while we saw precious little of that, the longer it goes the worse it gets, he's modelling himself on the Wenger that failed for years which doesn't bode well either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Have we improved at all since he arrived? Have we moved up the table? Have we been doing better in other competitions? Has he been picking the right team?
On top of that the style of football is really dull again, the guy seems obsessed with bringing Wengerball (post 2005) mark II, noone is interested in that, maybe 10-15 years and Spains' heyday but not today. I just don't see what he can bring and to be honest I'd rather he didn't waste any money we do have in transfer windows, it's clear to me he's not the right man on many levels.
I'd rather we got rid now and found someone more progressive with a clearer plan and a better grasp on tactics and players abilities, as they say don't believe the hype, this guy is no Guardiola or Klopp and never will be.
For me if you want to get the fans onside, you need to do a few simple things right, firstly, pick the best team which he doesn't do. Secondly don't make a player who was disrepsectful to fans the 1st player on the teamsheet, especially when he's also very limited ability wise. Thirdly plays your best players in their best positions.
All very simple, Arteta doesn't seem to be able to do any of those. Auba's contract is also running down, if we have any chance of convincing him to play I would think not playing second fiddle to a kid is probably a good start, the decision to play Nketiah up front was ridiculous and probably won't help to convince Auba to stay with us.
Letters has been NQ-ed - it's that simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
a shame but it's true
Has he? Or is having a different opinion now officially a sign of abnormality into which all deviants are lumped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Can I join the club now?
I didn't even watch this shit because, even if they weren't parading around with racist slogans on their shirts, who didn't know, down to the fine details, what was going to happen? It would be like watching a film twice, one directly after the last. Or in the case of Arsenal, watching it hundreds of times on a loop. Not what I call fun.
Well, looking at the 16 games before he joined:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
W4 D7 L5
vs Arteta's games:
W8 D5 L3
It's been a bit better. We've moved up one place, we're a bit closer to the top 4 than we were. We're still in the FA Cup.
Nothing earth-shattering, I agree.
I don't particularly disagree with what you're saying, but he only joined late last year, with the enforced gap he's only been in charge for 16 games which have been a bit of an improvement on what they were before. Agree about the boring football.
TL;DR - I wouldn't sack a manager after 16 games unless it was a real car crash, which it hasn't been. I'm not 100% convinced by him but while we certainly let Wenger stay too long, we don't want to go to the other extreme and sack a manager after 16 games because he hasn't magically turned a deeply dysfunctional team into world-beaters. He deserves a transfer window and a season to prove himself - or not.
We only have to look at United and see what has happened to them since SAF left. plenty of money spent and plenty of managers. I see why people think it would be any different here especially as we were already on the way down whereas United somehow won the league with a relatively ordinary team and Van Persie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I actually like the idea of playing some of the academy players. I am happy Ozil doesn't play and Luiz doesn't start. Perhaps Arteta is being encouraged to give these guys a go now because of the financial situation and that we might need to get rid of a few higher profile players. Perhaps this is the perfect time to build the team because we aren't going to get relegated and CL spot is very unlikely so what is so wrong with giving these players a go. Also we were away at City so even with our strongest team in the last decade we would still have got bashed. Arteta needs a full season.
Auba will have to go leave unfortunately for his own good as well if he wants to win titles.