Klopp finally gets one over Verdasco.
I don't really care to be honest.
On we go, Anfield next up. :haha:
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Klopp finally gets one over Verdasco.
I don't really care to be honest.
On we go, Anfield next up. :haha:
it was a fair scoreline and Liverpool weren't even that good
pretty bad team selection from Arteta tbh, gave us no chance - we only looked dangerous when Ceballos came on
I disagree.
I thought we looked dangerous all game.
Just not in a good way.
That's our millionth away game against the top 6 without a win. Something like that.
All four goals came from mistakes and poor defending. Not a high-quality match, despite the commentators trying to convince you otherwise.
I also think Saka, being one of our best players, should probably be involved in most of our matches. He was cutting through Liverppol at Wembley but now has to settle for a place on the bench behind a blunt Willian and a hopeless Pepe.
Lacazette also showed once again that he's not reliable in terms of his general play or his finishing if we want to be a top team. Give Nketiah a consistent run or play Auba there.
The ref was a massive cheat again even though Liverpool didn't need his help.
Moral victory for us as our midfield didn't have Aouar and Partey in it.
:bow:
Even with 1 goal in it for most of the game we barely plucked up the courage to have a go. We can’t keep approaching these games with tactics that are more befitting of a team at the bottom of the league.
Liverpool are streets ahead of us and that was evident but we’ve got to be braver if we want to ever hope of winning at one of these big grounds again.
Only saw the second half and thought we did ok.
Let’s face it, Liverpool are a level above us.
They’re a level above everyone right now.
They won every home league game last season before they fluffed their lines on their last game.
They haven’t lost at home for over 3 years in the league.
In the bit I saw we didn’t embarrass ourselves. Had Laca not shat his pants we could even have equalised.
So...meh.
Klopp and Keane having a tear up.
It was overly defensive, Arteta has found a way of keeping us in these games but you can't rely on it forever.
Citeh away as our next away league game, would hope we are far more positive in attacking there.
It is sickening how we have approached these games like a smalltime club.
We may now be small time, but we shouldn't approach games in that manner.
We aren’t small time, but we aren’t at Liverpool’s level either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
I’d rather see a performance like I did tonight in the second half than us go there, try and attack them and get completely spanked.
Laca should have equalised, after that...well, we’d probably have still lost but I thought the performance, or the part I saw, was pretty decent.
it was better than the first half but that's really not saying much - actually it's not saying anything at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The first half was record breaking on how impotent we were. It literally was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Better that than this nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656883
We could have saved all this nonsense by forfeiting the match.
There is no point turning up and approaching the game in the way we did today.
We are still one of the worst teams for conceding straight after we've taken the lead.
Poor concentration, mentality and most of all poor technique, which is the biggest offender in most of our mistakes. Better players and trusting some of the younger players would make a big difference. It's early in the season obviously, but these have been our biggest issues in recent years. Despite improved performances, the costy mistakes are still coming from the experienced players. I hope Arteta doesn't continue to fall into the trap of being conservative in his team selection and eventually gives the younger players with more dynamism and upside to their game a proper chance. Otherwise, we're just stuck in an eternal mediocre loop.
It’s a balancing act in terms of how these games should be approached as you don’t want to go gung ho and get spanked. However what we saw tonight is pretty much now our only tactic in these games because we’ve seen it multiple times. We created one chance in the entire match, the rest was just hopeful rubbish which as I said is what you see from teams at the bottom of the league who play to avoid defeat, rather than win. In fact some of them cause more problems for the top sides than we ever do because they’re not as afraid to have a go as we are.
Maybe Partey or Aouar could change that. We’ll see but I hope this isn’t going to be Arteta’s identity as a coach going forward and he’s just waiting on more players who fit his mould.
Arteta out TBH :sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Liverpool are a much better team than us, I think only Auba would get in their starting XI from our current team, the rest wouldn’t have a hope, many of them wouldn’t even make Liverpool’s bench.
There is no shame in losing to them, they are the best team in the country by a distance, we aren’t even in the top 6 at the minute. Arteta is doing good work and IF we secure Aouar & Partey then we should improve significantly as a team but there is still plenty of work to do.
We are still very early in our rebuild phase, achieving top 4 even this season would be huge for us because right now we are not a CL level team.
Weird game, as neither team was really that sharp. We weren't horrible, terrible, or any off that really. This game just highlighted our weaknesses.
Central Midfield(Xhaka), and until that gets fixed, we are going to have games like this.
Our defending, which has improved, but today shows they still need some work. Like 3 players don't need to track 1 player over and over again, leaving gaps throughout the back
Goalie, Leno has now decided to be crap
And lastly Willian was at fault for the 2nd goal, completely lost sight off Robertson
True about Leno. Another clean sheet tonight for Martinez :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Leno has been pretty average all along tbf. Good shot stopper, but that's about all. We tend to get excited at Arsenal if the keeper isn't Almunia.
Leno literally refuses to come off his line for crosses, his command of the box is the complete opposite of Martinez. Sad considering the best keepers in PL are all great at commanding their box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Leno is a decent enough shot shopper, but his performance last night was poor.
I dont know who is going to come in and teach out knuckleheads not to disintegrate like wet biscuits when under pressure. Soon as the pressure is on we panic, start heading or passing the ball to the very attackers putting us under pressure. It would be hilarious if not so pathetic. Nothing really has changed in 2006.
Ok on we go. So who do we have next.......Who?......Ah shit!
considering we normally take a right hammering at anfield. At least we stayed organised and hung in there. Even had a chance to equalise. But thought liverpool were very good. But they provide a model to aim at no point people moaning about financial doping as good recruitment and training can win out.
October looks tricky though liverpool again sheff u city Leicester and united
it was a real mistake to let go of Martinez and keep Leno as number 1, also a terrible mistake to bring Sideshow Bob back in instead of GabrielQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
and a third terrible mistake to have xhaka alongside elneny - when he came on, ceballos immediately showed why he should have started
arteta got this one wrong - very wrong
if we'd given Liverpool more to worry about going forward it wouldn't have been anywhere near as one-sided as it turned out - i'll say again, Liverpool didn't even play very well
I suspect Liverpool would probably still have won, but you do wonder how different the game would have been if Mane had been sent off in the second minute as he should have been.
so glad that VAR is there to give some nonsense penalty decisions but ignore a clear elbow to the face. What’s the fucking point of it?
The annoying thing for me is that it’s not even just away at the top sides we see this kind of performance. It was the same against West Ham and there have been plenty of other occasions where it’s very much safety first. Maybe this is what we needed to improve structurally but it’s certainly not football I get any joy from watching, for years Arsenal have always been about creativity but that seems to be a thing of the past now.
i thought we'd play more positively after winning the FA Cup and also Community shield, as Arteta now has enough goodwill in the bank to be bolder, but am disappointed in how conservative he's being
he's not giving attacking players like Saka and Ceballos enough time on the pitch
The more replays I have seen the worse it looks. Think it was quite deliberate and should have been a red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
If it was one of our lot it would have been a Red, there I said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Yeah agree with all of this. Especially the bit about Ceballos, why on earth did he not start?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
He may be having to un-train them before he can get down to training them. A lot of bad habits and bad attitudes picked up over the years. This could be our wax-on, wax-off period, maybe? Then paint a few fences, clean a car and suddenly we'll spring into action and beat the shit out of everyone. Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
It might not be that though. Because we aren't even all that with wax.
They would have still beaten us even with 10 men IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
I’m inclined to agree but then again, 88 minutes with 10 men and not able to produce an effective press up front may have changed the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Liverpool were very good at putting pressure on our defence when they had the ball with Mane, Salah & Firmino all pressing. Take Mane out and maybe not so effective
Agreed. Leno doesn't look that commanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Yeah, we'd better do something impressive with that £20m because at the moment it looks like we let the better keeper go.
Its the midfield and more importantly Xhaka, we come up against any competent midfield we are going to struggle getting hold off the ball or have any consistent passage of play through our midfield if Xhaka is playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Dude must be the best practice player ever. Cause i can't understand how he's manage to fool 3 managers like this. He's not good anything, I can't comprehend how he starts every game.
How has he managed to be this shit for this long and get away with it?
I don’t mind Xhaka as a sitter that much but you can’t pair him with someone like Elneny who does essentially the same thing. We desperately need 1 or 2 players in there who can play in tight areas and beat the press, there’s just a complete lack of guile at the moment. I was looking at the squad list earlier and the CM options have never been this bad.
Xhaka playing means that we are saying just forget about midfield and hope our Wing backs can create and keep possession.
I truly don't understand players like Xhaka, and the need for them in this game. They offer nothing, other then just a body.