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Artetaball is an acquired taste.
Like rimming.
It tastes like SurströmmingQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Thank You Pepe for earning the team a point
Not joking, when it's a miracle if you can get a shot on target, never mind score a goal, it's going to be a long hard slog to those 27 points we need.
Arteta has systematically destroyed any remnant of attacking football this club was once known for. Even at our worst under Wenger and hell, even Emery we could at least pull out the odd performance worth paying to watch.
Now it’s just utter garbage and as I said earlier in the week, Arteta is so lucky there are no fans in the ground to let him know how excruciatingly bad we are. Pound for pound we’ve got to be the worst team in the league considering what we actually produce, or don’t produce I should say.
If we get slapped in the NLD coming up he’s got to go.
If we get slapped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4akMaeZ0-kQuote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
my youngest wanted to watch tellytubbies and i was happy to turn it over.
Arteta is also unfortunate not to get this kind of assistance at games:
https://i.imgur.com/ExnQSp5.png
You know you’re getting old when you can remember Arsenal scoring a goal from open play.
:oldboy:
Pepe stupidity has probably cost him any chances for the foreseeable future. Which means more of that donkey Willian.
Maybe we've all got this wrong and we should be celebrating a point against a good side after we went down to ten men? no, thought not... :getcoat:
Well if you think we’re capable of doing anything meaningful in the league then it’s not a good point. If you’ve accepted we’re mid-table fodder now then it’s a fantastic point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
We made a mistake taking on a rookie managerQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
and this is the price we are paying.
How long do we give him? Until we are in a relegation dog fight?
We are looking very mid-table.
I only saw the last 10 minutes today and didn’t think we were terrible, but we just aren’t that good either. We’ll get some good results and some bad ones but it’ll all add up to a pretty mid table season. Am increasingly wondering whether it’s really worth persisting with Arteta.
He talks a good game but is he really taking us anywhere good?
We are now, the very definition of mid-table fodder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If you want something other than the league table as proof, you only have to look at how we approach games against the big teams.
We have not fallen hard, but we have fallen far.
It happened gently over a period of over ten years until we reached a tipping point. Rather than arresting that decline, which we had ample opportunity to do, we have passed the tipping point and the decline is accelerating.
Seriously, has anyone got the slightest clue how we get out of this mess? Does anyone know where to start?
If the football was good then it would probably be worth persisting with. However at no point in his year in charge has it been good. It’s boring, methodical and regimented football that has completely killed our forward line to the point where we can barely create meaningful chances anymore. Even when the odd chance does come any killer instinct has now been lost because sightings of goal are so scarce now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Arteta is dining off the cup wins over City and Chelsea. One off games where everything went our way on the day.
Nice guy and I agree he talks a good game but what we’ve seen on the pitch does not compute. He’s a safety-first coach who sets out to not lose, rather than win IMO. Would love to be proven wrong but he’s not my cup of tea. Off you pop.
Leeds starting line up cost less than 50 million combined. Even when we had 11 players they were comfortably the better side.
I think that’s a bit harsh. I thought we were really good in those games and deserved to win them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But we just haven’t pushed on, we’ve actually regressed.
It increasingly feels like there isn’t much to lose from letting Arteta go. He could become a good manager but he doesn’t seem like one yet.
I mean from a tactical perspective. We won those games deservedly but did it playing pretty much in the same turgid way. Only difference was that Auba was on fire in both games. Now he can’t score the reality of how dire we’re set up to play is laid bare to see.
The league form has been a mixed bag of crap and that’s more telling than a couple of random games where for whatever reason it worked on the day.
Di Matteo won Chelsea the FA Cup and the Champions League but he was obviously a nothing coach.
Yes, i promise i was only joking, it was a miserable failureQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
Start in January, sell Xhaka, Mustafi, Chambers. We should be planning for the summer. Lacazette, Nkietah, Nelson, at least 1 or 2 should be sold, Cellabos, go back to Madrid. Cedric, Hector, AMN, Holding, Mari, 2 gotta be sold from that list.
At this point dont care who we bring in. We need to rid off a lot. And January should be the start, won't be tho.
And the Manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
We cannot just keep chopping and changing players. Arteta MUST take some of the blame here, our football is terrible!
Why have Auba and Cellabos become rubbish overnight?
Yep - the Manager has to be included within that line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Additionally, how much confidence can we have in those responsible for the selection of the manager? I was inclined initially to give them the benefit of the doubt - that they knew something and saw something we didn't and had the competence to turn things around. Particularly as they went back to Arteta so soon after having an initial sniff around prior to the Emery appointment.
I have completely lost faith in them to get it right if and when they replace Arteta.
I'm not being facetious, but 'sell'? With the contracts they have and their limited ability, they couldn't be given away.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
I do think there have been some improvements with Arteta. Clearly defensively we are a much better side.
We clearly have a plan & a shape and you could see both yesterday & at Old Trafford that we quickly adopted our shape when the opposition attacked and dealt with pretty much all the attacks. yes the post helped a couple of times but you need some luck. Given where we were defensively under Emery, it is a massive improvement and clearly taken a lot of effort from Arteta to get the players to buy in and learn the system.
However, the attacking play is non existent and hopefully now he has got a grip of the defence we can move into developing our attacking play quickly. Partey seems to be a good player with that link between defence & attack as was Cellabos yesterday. I understand why we didnt start Saka as we dont want to burn him out but he was our best player and he only played 20 odd minutes! There seems to be a real lack of speed in our passing when in the attacking third, with no movements from players off the ball. It’s all very static and that needs to be sorted quickly.
With Pepe, i’d give him a chance. Last year he took a while to hit his stride which is understandable with a move to a new league & country but he showed glimpses of real talent imo. Then Covid hit and Arteta started not playing him as often. It’s always going to be difficult to be given a few sub appearances of 10 minutes and then told to show world class talent when you finally get a start. I’d much rather we said have five games as a starter, get into some form then play Willian who is just slow and offers nothing.
The attacking play can’t and won’t develop though because he’s such a conservative coach. Likes to play with deep blocks and 2 sitting midfielders, placing emphasis on the forwards all dropping deeper to help defend as a team has neutered their natural attacking instinct. Again, just a couple of shots on target yesterday, that is a running theme. I’d at least give the benefit of the doubt if we were creating the chances but fluffing our lines.
This is just what we are now because we don’t know how to play or win in any other way. We concede less but don’t create chances and don’t score, the results are no better and we’re still mid-table. There’s been no improvement because you can’t have one without the other.
We really haven't chopped much, we just keep on buying average players. And we didn't get rid off any barring Mikhi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Dude our players just ain't that good. Barring a few games, we've had the share off possession in most games. We just don't have a squad that mesh well on the pitch at all. And its been this way since the last couple years off Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I didn't say we gonna get big money for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
those players (apart form Xhaka and Willian) could do a lot better if they'd been more consistently organised and selected through this season in a way that was sound defensively but also paid attention to the attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Arteta's team selection has been inconsistent where it should have been consistent - ie chopping and changing the attacking players and consistent where he should have changed it - ie always having Auba on the left
Auba's clearly forgotten how to play at CF as he was floundering and the supporting players weren't used used to being in that formation so did poorly at getting the ball to him
it's all of Arteta's chickens coming home to roost i'm afraid
Another thing I cant stand with Arteta is him standing by the sidelines, ductating play tell everyone who to pass to. WTF is that. STFU!. he is only doing that because the empty stands mean he can actually be heard. Who else does that?. He certainly didnt get that from Pep. The best signing we can get in January would be a new manager. We should be on the phone to Allegri asap. He is quality and he is available
I agree there is a huge disconnect in the squad, no partnerships, no cohesion and no telegraphy with any of the players. They’re all just individuals who for whatever reason don’t gel.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
I believe with a better coach they’re capable of challenging for the top 4 though. We do have some very good players who should be good enough to haul us up the table but the system they’re being asked to play in doesn’t work.
Perhaps the club thought its little scheme with the other moneybags clubs to divide up all the cash for themselves was a starter? Or they already know of some future carve-up that will guarantee the cash? So it doesn't really matter if we are mid-table dross for now. Next year, or the year after, it might all be better with flashy European leagues and wheelbarrows of cash regardless of boring stuff like entertainment and results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
It's not a conspiracy theory is it? It's an actual conspiracy that was rumbled and had the club running a mile to distance itself. It's guilty until proven innocent with this club, given past form. Perhaps football isn't the main priority anymore and there's plenty of evidence on the pitch to suppose this. Almost dead bodies tapping it around, making no attempt to score a goal, empty stadiums, everyone earning enough every week to solve global hunger. It's all going in the one direction and maybe there's no intention or desire to reverse that until a new configuration exists and the fans, rather than Kroenke, can be soaked to put us back on the map. We already did this once, with the sustainability bullshit in preparation for financial fair play. Just gave up, waiting for corrupt officials to ride to the rescue by dragging our opponents back down to our new and cheaper level.
we need to thank God we won the FAC last seaon or any idea that we're still a 'big club' would be under real threat
We aren't a big club bro. X amounts of seasons out of CL, we are irrelevant now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Is that literally your only definition of what a big club is? :blink:
More importantly, X amount of seasons not winning it when we could have and should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie