That went well. :lol:
One of the worst displays this season which is impressive.
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That went well. :lol:
One of the worst displays this season which is impressive.
I guess Xhaka wasn’t the problem.
Arteta 100% to blame, you could see he'd told them to be really defensive
No one's scared of Liverpool anymore - except of us of course
Utter shite. Tactics all wrong and too many half assed performances.
This season can't end quick enough. Miracle needed in the Europe League.
Think Arteta should have stayed a #2.
Even worse it makes xhaka look like a key player for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
We were awful. Arteta is lucky there are no fans in the stadium to watch this.
We are 9th and i think we will do well to finish higher
Losers.
And good at it.
Losers last season.
Losers this season.
Losers next season.
Losers.
Fuck off Arteta 😠Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Who can replace Arteta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
You look at the teams above us and the gap to them we have no real chance of finishing higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
We are the mid tablest we’ve been for years.
Difficult to be objective after witnessing that.
The way I feel ATM is that we have to face facts. Arteta has been given every opportunity to show us who he is. And what he is is a promising young coach who could be good if he cuts his teeth properly. But his inexperience is directly reflected in the complete inconsistency that his team has showed us - and in the decisions that he has taken. It is extraordinary that he could have found himself as not only coach, but manager of a team of Arsenal's stature, and having been one of those who gave him the benefit of the doubt, I am afraid that I no longer believe that he even has the capacity to get us back into the top 4. This is not a knee jerk, and its not even about being 9th after the majority of the season has played out. Its about the decision making; the mentality of his players and the lack of the one thing that I wanted to see most of all - an identity that runs through whatever team and whatever personnel that take the field.
The limited successes that we have had seem increasingly to be down to chance - and the brilliance of certain players at certain times - than any real plan. Tonight has been humbling and disillusioning, and I think I've lost the faith. Where we go from here fuck knows.
Can I do a
AnYoNe WoUlD bE bEtTeR tHaN wEnGeR?
No?
The only Godsend thing is we'll never be a mid table club. Some people need to get a grip and stop exaggerating about stuff like that. Poor old Zim, eh? Saw the writing on the wall - read it - got shot to shit for stating what was obvious.
Wenger is at the root of all of this. He destroyed every aspect of the club. Every move he made in the later years baked failure into our fibre. We've had a so-called winning manager and a rookie manager and neither of them could make a dent in the shit pile Wenger slaved to create. The next guy won't make any impact either. Wenger ensured everything was catastrophic before he eventually fucked off.
:lol: We were never a mid table team till someone left.
And the season after he left we got 70 points, a few points off 3rd and got to the Europa League final.
So spare me the nonsense about what a terrible squad we were left with.
Things really fell apart under Emery. I don’t know if Arteta is the right person to sort it out. There have been some encouraging signs but we are bang mid table.
He always felt like a gamble. I’m not sure replacing him now is going to do much good though.
The later years when we won 3 FA Cups in 4 years? Those ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You were the one saying that anyone would be better than Wenger.
And you said that when Wenger left you’d be expecting a title challenge in 2 years.
Now it’s all “well of course no one else could do better”
:shrug:
And there it is. The excuses. Passing the buck. Refusing to accept that under the great man himself there were plenty of people saying we were going to end up a mid-table team if somebody didn't step up and put the incompetent out of his misery. But he dragged on for years and that's where the damage was done. That's where the soul of a competitive team was ripped out. It's odd that people were saying it at the time - myself included - and it has come to pass EXACTLY as predicted.
Must be a coincidence. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
When things are predicted and work out exactly as predicted, it can't possibly be because it was always so predictable. It must be down to something, anything else. A lucky guess? Based on that shitty sideways tip-tap, do nothing, go nowhere shitball that Wenger trademarked?
Tip tap. Tip Tap.
Yes. Zim, the wise seerQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Zim (and others) 2006: We’ll be a mid table size if Wenger doesn’t leave.
Rinse and repeat every year.
Fast forward to 2021: Aha! See! Told you so!
:sarcy:
And note, the slide to mid-table has happened after he left.
I’ve noted above how we did the season after, we were well placed to push on for top 4.
It's like the car going off a cliff. If the driver keeps his foot on the pedal and then leaps out at the last moment, don't be blaming him for the fireball. Blame the people left in the car. Makes perfect sense.
Decline always happens instantly, never by stages. If somebody takes something good and fucks it up but rides the inertia, they are a hero and the fucker who stumbles through the wreckage afterwards is to blame. Provided the culprit is never blamed all is well.
You literally said that a new manager coming in should have us challenging for the title in 2 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Do you want me to find the post? Stop pretending you had a crystal ball, you said anyone would be an immediate improvement on Wenger and we should be challenging in 2 years
:doh:
Ah, turns out it's MY fault. Now I get it. Provided we never talk about that monumental fraud Wenger, everything else is on the table. But at least we know why we're shit - it was my posting here on GW that did it. What sort of a cunt am I?
Well I'll say it if nobody else has the grace.
YOU WERE RIGHT ZIM. RIGHT DOWN TO THE FINAL DETAILS.
Not that it took a genius to work it out mind you. But at least some people had the honesty to speak openly. Especially given the barrage you face on here if you criticise the great fraud Wenger.
This is just another loss, among many. A normal thing these days.
But it's also a continuation of a trend that Wenger made a tradition. When we play our supposed rivals we lose. And there's absolutely no sign of that changing. That's the problem. Nothing has changed, in years.
Forgot it was on, couldn’t be bothered to watch and only just seen the score.
Arteta. :haha:
Not many excuses left for him really. There are teams and coaches who had a worse starting position than us yet have made many more strides forward. David fucking Moyes has West Ham dreaming of a top 4 finish while we’re supposed to accept that we’re mid table shit because we were already crap before Arteta turned up?
If he was any good there would have been a difference in league performance by now but there hasn’t been anything. We are arguably worse.
Zim: Red! (Ball lands in black!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Zim: Red! (Ball lands in black!)
Zim: Red! (Ball lands in black!)
...
Zim: Red! (Ball lands in black!)
Zim: Red! (Ball lands in red!)
NQ: Zim woz rite!
:sarcy:
And no, obviously none of this is your fault. Stop the straw manning.
IF you now think that the current malaise is Wenger’s fault then that’s not unreasonable. I disagree because of how we did the season after he left. To me that seems good evidence that we had a squad capable of pushing on. But if you see it differently, that Wenger had set in a lot of rot which took a while to be fully evident then ok, it’s not an unreasonable stance.
But just don’t pretend you saw it all coming when you kept posting about how anyone would immediately improve us and you said that a new manager should get us challenging in 2 years.
He can't help himself, can he?
he is a #2Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
Wenger in! 😁😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
(I switched off after the first half - i've never done that before...)
Arteta went into this match scared of Liverpool he's even said they're better in every department (great way to inspire your players) , if your manager doesn't have faith in you :shrug:
So Arteta has a worse record after 50 games than Emery & Wenger’s last 50. It is only goals conceded where we’ve improved, however that is offset by a huge downturn in goals scored, we’re a poor attacking side now and constantly fire blanks.
We finished 8th last year after a season of huge disruption, that was the free pass. If you told anyone then we wouldn’t better that this year it would have been deemed a huge failure.
If by some miracle we win the EL then of course we can look to move on to better things but I don’t see how we’re ever going to really improve without finding some consistency in the league again.
Every team in the league would have given Liverpool a game. Except for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
Arteta is lucky there are no fans and also he seems to be a nice guy with a lot of pals within the game and media. It’s basically why Ole still has a job at United, although at least he’s got them competing higher up the table.
That’s pretty damning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Auba is a big factor, having spent 2 seasons bailing us out he’s been awful this season.
Another player who, having got his big pay day, mentally checks out?
Personally I think we might as well stick with Arteta now.
But if next season starts poorly we should look elsewhere.
i'm not sure i agree with sticking with him though i'm sure we willQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
there's so many things that could be done better - team selections, tactics, squads, rotation, in-game management - he's learning on the job but stubborn with it, which holds up his development and i still think we should look to someone with more experience
There isn't even a need to over analyse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Anyone who has followed us this season and had the misfortune of watching us yesterday will know clealry that the Rookie is not for us.
He is bog standard coach and needs to go, simple.
To think he and Emery were the first 2 choices on the list to replace AW shows how far this club sunk under the stewardship of the latter.
Kronke, the terrible board that sold the club to him, his accomplice AW and foolish AW loyalist are all responsible for this dross.
We need a proven world class coach ASAP and we have had many chances to correct the mistakes we've made and rid ourselves of this wretched mentality we currently have.
Sack Arteta, end of.
Selling the club to someone who actually gives a hoot and loves the game would also be a massive plus
I’m not sure I agree either :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I keep changing my mind, but right now I don’t see much value in replacing him. At times it seems like he’s been taking us in the right direction and given us more shape. Overall though the results have been patchy. There’s certainly a case to be made to replace him. But Emery was “the experienced manager” and that didn’t work out.
I have no words for that display (if you want to call it that) last night. A complete horror show from start to finish.
we are now 10th but on the plus side we only play two teams above us and the bottom 5.so i am sure we will finish well and everything will look rosy until next season starts.
Thing is, even if we “go on a run”, the gap is such we are unlikely to finish higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
10th or 11th seems likely which is pretty pathetic.
10th or 11th is pathetic and there can be no excuses. Arteta probably has about 10 games at the start of next season and see where we are. i dont see us as a top 4 side but we need to recruit the way liverpool did, sell a player for alot of invest it wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters