His talent is wasted in the "striker" role of a "433"...
Thoughts?
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His talent is wasted in the "striker" role of a "433"...
Thoughts?
He can do both roles, just like say, Rooney. He can drop back and playmake, putting balls in for Walcott/Gervinho etc., or as he's shown he can get in the box and finish off chances. I think the formation is flexible enough for him to alternate when necessary, as long has he gets appropriate support from the other attacking players and is not isolated.
I reckon away games should be something like:
-------Chez---------
Sag Mert Verm Santos
Oxo Arteta Song Gerv
--------RVP----------
-------Theo---------
Since Arshy is lazy I can't think of another natural winger who'l go up and down for protection tactically and organisation so Oxo(when he's ready) and Gerv on the wings to provide defence cover when we don't have the ball but when Wilshere gets back then he must be considered a starter :unsure:
You could maybe include Young or Benayoun as wide right midfielder, or put Walcott there and Young at FW.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunnerFan4Life
bingo. hes in exactly the right position. just need to make sure walcott and gerv are well up in support/running beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipsychubbs
he never impresssed me in the bergkamp role tbh, he doesnt have his skill-set. more van basten than bergkamp. this is his only good position.
Think we should start going with a more traditional 4-4-2 look, or something approaching what we had in 2007/2008. We've tried the 3 in central midfield: 1) for fear of getting steamrollered through the middle, and 2) to get the best out of Cesc.
Stick Song and Wilshere in the middle and tell them to man the fuck up and take responsbility. Walcott and Arteta outwide seem like the type who'll do the Hlebisky tracking back and be half-useful going forward. We're left with Van Persie and a scramble for the second striker spot between Park, Gervinho and Arshavin.
I also think the system would be more robust in dealing with injuries/suspensions.
You know it makes sense.
And back on topic: Van Persie has been scoring and scoring very well; I don't see how his talents are wasted? His biggest problem has been injuries. If he can get through 30+ league games ( :haha: ) in a season, he's close to a 25 goal striker.
Agreed - and for him, RVP's injury situation has been good for 8 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
He already does, he's a 'false' #9. Like Messi does for Barca
RVP is more suited to the Bergkamp role IMO, however he's also our only goalscorer up front and thus we have no choice but to use him like this.
Had we signed a goalscorer it might have been different, but Wenger simply refuses to.
Play Theo with RVP
It'll be like Henry and Bergkamp just not as good
RVP is a better goal scorer than Bergkamp.
Bergkamp was far more creative and inventive. But then, very few players are as intelligent as Bergkamp on the pitch. RVP is still one of the most creative strikers in the League.
As others have said, RVP's only drawback is his fitness. He doesn't need to be moved.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/footbal...our-goal-salvo
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Robin van Persie 'may ask to play free role at Arsenal' after four-goal salvo
Robin van Persie has hinted he would like a free role for Arsenal, after his four-goal salvo in the Netherlands' 11-0 win over San Marino on Friday.
The 28-year-old is usually employed as the main striker for the Gunners, but Oranje boss Bert van Marwijk asked him to do something different in the Euro 2012 qualifier.
He played behind lone frontman Klaas-Jan Huntelaar and responded by finding the target four times in the rout.
Van Persie later revealed he had enjoyed playing in a new position.
He told OnsOranje: 'This game I had a free role. That was fun.
'But at Arsenal I play as the striker, that's what I do every day.'
However, he also admitted he did not know whether Van Marwijk would continue with the experiment for Tuesday's game against Finland.
'It's the coach's decision. We must judge it match by match,' Van Persie added.
Another Arsenal man to enjoy international duty was new boy Park Chu-Young, who scored a hat-trick for South Korea in a 6-0 victory over Lebanon.
He probably would have scored 4 goals playing in goal against San Marino. Shouldn't think too much of that. Good confidence boost but that's it. Tells us nothing about if he can play that "free role" role
I always thought he'd be quite good playing free role, if we could actually buy a real striker. I still think Theo should play ahead of RVP, get Hazard in Jan so it would look something like:
Hazard Arteta Song Gerv
Theo
RVP
So you think RVP should play behind Theo and yet have him ahead of Theo in the team you shown?Quote:
Originally Posted by GunnerFan4Life
Ah yes, typo there:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Haz Art Song Gerv
RVP
Theo
But issue is Wilshere could be back by january so selection issues....
i agree. plus 4-3-3 (ie 4-5-1) was us bending our team out of shape to give cesc the extra protection he wanted in the centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr
It was fucking shit, and the sooner we get back to 4-4-1-1 with:
-a defence worthy of the name
-flying wingers, one of which knows to track back.
-a strike partnership
-two powerful midfielders..
we can gt back to the formula that used to win us trophies.
Can't really add much more, we need to use 4-4-2 against some teams and stick with 4-3-3 against others but sadly I don't think we'll see that, with a different set of player skill sets we might play 4-3-3 a little differently which would have a similar effect though, that's what I'm hoping for.
We can still play a 4-3-3 with RVP playing the false 9 but he has to put Walcott on the left and Gervinho on the right, plus get two of the three central miss must have fluid three roles as well. It can't just be one player and that is where we went wrong with Cesc. We need more movement from the centre and the three front men for it to work.
With RVP dropping deep it is supposed to create space in front of him for players to exploit but you rarely see it happen. We're too rigid for a 4-3-3 at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Syn
if we were stoke or some other long ball team chamakh would score more goals. tell him to stay in the box and fight for headers, i bet u he could do that all day but our pass, tiki taka system doesn't seem to be bringing out the best in him. similar to barca's flirtation with ibrahimovic a few years ago i think cham's time here has not been good for either party
:sarcy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
yes because he didnt spend the whole united match covering for that non-league fraud jenkinson....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Nice. I'm stealing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
(But not to criticise Jenkinson. I quite like Jenkinson. And his perfectly square shaped head).
Non-league fraud, blame the manager who signed a kid from a lower league team and then just stuck him straight in the deep end with a couple incompetent centre backs and a midfield with brittle bone syndrome as company......that sure was some amateur management.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Agreed. This season Theo should get a chance in the middle to see what he can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
He already performs the same role as Bergy: fucking awesome Dutchman.
well according to some on here hes an upgrade on eboue so i'll be holding him to the same standards if you dont mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
also if hes the loveable scamp from the lower leagues in out of his depth he should shut hes fookin mouth when experienced internationals like walcott are telling him whats what.
This is the same Walcott who's done next to nothing in 5 years+ of being with us and who's been living on the hype that surrounded him when we signed him as somekinda wonderkid since then too?Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Not forgetting the fact he gave away a penalty in that match.
I don't think he's qualified to give advice about defending to be honest, he's never been much cop at it himself, why would anyone take him seriously when it comes to advice about it?
yep, that theo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
why? because hes an experienced international and is his superior. hopefully with the likes of metersaker, arteta and benayoun coming in the lines of seniority are even clearer to upstarts like jenkinson. its the culture which has crept through the club and that has been fackin us.
We should play a 4-2-4 punt and chase style like Wimbledon did in the 80's, that would be worth it just for the look of surprise of peoples faces when we start punting it 60 yards upto Schmack so he can lay it off to RvP or the defensive strikers.
Long ball footie :bow:
In all seriousness we should be playing 3-5-2 and should have been for a few years now. The extra centre back can move forward to support midfield if needed or drop deeper to cover the other 2 against central play, both vermaelen and Meatpacker could do that, the wing backs we already have. In midfield Ateta, Wilshere/ramsey and Song is robust and creative and with enough gumption to allow the creative 2 to play. Then 2 up top with Rvp being allowed the free role to drift wide or come deep and keep either Theo or Gerbilinho up top to occupy the opposition centre backs with their pace.
Simples
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...-support-robinQuote:
Arsenal legend Dennis Bergkamp believes his old club need a definitive goalscorer to ease their woes in the Premier League.
Bergkamp enjoyed much success in north London, winning three league titles and four FA Cups before he retired in 2006 and returned to the Netherlands.
The Gunners sit near the foot of the table in 15th place and the Dutch master believes front-man Robin van Persie needs some support up top and has also backed under-fire manager Arsene Wenger.
"When I look at Robin van Persie he is the front player, but he is better in my old role. They are missing an out-and-out goalscorer. Now they play with an extra midfielder instead," Bergkamp told the Daily Mail.
"The midfielders are all the same sort of players. You need one who wants to get behind Van Persie.
"I know he's [Wenger] the one who will be struggling the most. But with his experience, it'll be okay."
The 42-year-old also insists the team could do with the inspiration of another former Gunner in Patrick Vieira, an individual who almost returned to north London before deciding on taking a football development executive role at Manchester City.
"There was talk of Patrick going to Arsenal during the summer. I would've done everything possible to get him there," added Bergkamp.
"Just to get him in and around the dressing room. It would have brought so much to the team."
Bergkamp is currently on the coaching staff at his old side Ajax and admits he would love to come back to England to do the same, but insists management is not for him.
"The plan is to be settled here now I've built my house. But there is something that stays with me, something in my body that wants to go back to England one day as part of a coaching staff," he admitted.
"That is always in my mind. I don't miss specific things but I miss the feeling which I can't really explain. I haven't sold my house there yet.
"I've never seen myself as a manager. As a manager you have to put all your time into the job and that would be difficult for me. As a player I wanted to switch off at home and it's the same now. I would maybe feel trapped.
"You have to always be involved and, if you're not, you are not doing it right. I want to just drive home, switch off and spend time with my family."
Bergkamp :bow:
Every man and his dog knew we needed a goalscorer, Wenger goes and signs some unknown Korean he won't play instead....great bit of management there.
AW doesn't seem to rate goalscorers, scoring goals is obviously not that important to him....doesn't rank as high as triangular passing obviously.
Rubbish who could we have got in that week all the good players we never going to be sold where they.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
We had all summer, if we wanted someone we could have made an offer for them early on, instead we sat there all gormless making excuses about being on our period :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
We weren't interested in signing quality strikers who could score goals let's face it.
It really is shameful. A lot of people have been saying this for months. Fans not coaches.
What's wrong with Wenger? Why can't he see this?
Can't see it or does not want to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Why spend big wages on a stiker who scores goals when we was not going to win the league anyways. might as well save the wages and buy when we are ready to challenge again.
our biggest problem is defense not attack anyway don't matter how many world class strikers we buy or should have bought. if goals are leaking at the other end what diffrence does it make.
and which top stiker would want to come to us anyways be realistic now.
Im talking about when we bought Park. Lets be real how many top strikers would want to come to us. no one knows who we bidded for really. we was never going to get an Ageuro or a Dzeko to high wage demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Im sure their is better then park but like you say he sells shirts so maybe why he was bought.
the board see this season a write off so why waste the wage bill when much might not happen.