Arsenal 2-2 Fulham Player ratings and Match reaction

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ramsdale 6 - Didn’t do a lot wrong for either goal was a virtual spectator


White 5 - Needs to be dropped


Saliba 6 - Needs to be playing alongside Gabriel


Kiwior 5 - Not his fault, he shouldn’t be playing at left back


Partey 5 - Vacates the space because he’s a midfielder not a right back


Rice 5 - How many times did I say we shouldn’t be starting with him


Havertz - 3 - We’ve got to stop playing him as a central midfielder he isn’t one


Martinelli - 6 - Got what were a few tame shots away but hasn’t looked right all season


Odegaard - 5 - Trying hard but it’s not coming off for him


Saka - 5 Careless in giving the ball away for their first goal


Trossard - 7 - Our best player first half, why he was brought off I don’t know



Subs -


Jorginho 5 - Anonymous

Zinchenko 3 - We can’t play him at left back all season, it’d be suicide

Vieira 7.5 - Won a pen, got an assist and was unlucky not to score himself


Nketiah 6.5 - Yes he scored but too timid, and passed up other opportunities to score

Jesus 5 - Did nothing




From back to front this was an utter disaster, it’s been waiting to happen since the start of the season. In some ways if it ends the Havertz playing central midfield experiment, Partey playing at right back experiment….then in some ways it’s a blessing in disguise. Holding on to the lead today would have been a travesty in a game we deserved to lose. There are goals in this side, but we need to play in a way conducive to getting those goals from us and we look massively unbalanced. There’s only one man to blame for that, you know how I feel….every game this man continues to coach this football club is an affront to us. But I have to accept he’s not getting the boot and hope against hope that today is a blasting alarm clock wake up call for him.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Your ratings are pretty much spot on today (except for Rice who had another good game).

I'm not going to bother anyone with a long post, because I'm still seething and its pretty obvious who/what our problems are.

The only thing I'll say is if Kai Havertz starts the next game we really need to investigate and find out if the rookie is on the take.

A pathetic signing that had neon lights all over it!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Your ratings are pretty much spot on today (except for Rice who had another good game).

I'm not going to bother anyone with a long post, because I'm still seething and its pretty obvious who/what our problems are.

The only thing I'll say is if Kai Havertz starts the next game we really need to investigate and find out if the rookie is on the take.

A pathetic signing that had neon lights all over it!

I have no problem with Havertz playing, in fact I’d start him over Odegaard…just not in central midfield


I think people here will have to concede that Rice shouldn’t be playing for us, doesn’t suit the way we play and isn’t quick enough to neutralise Fulham counter attacks

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I have no problem with Havertz playing, in fact I’d start him over Odegaard…just not in central midfield


I think people here will have to concede that Rice shouldn’t be playing for us, doesn’t suit the way we play and isn’t quick enough to neutralise Fulham counter attacks

Did you not watch the 1st half....I mean even I missed their goal but I did see all the half chances where Kai pretended he'd never been a striker before! Yes, I understand Trossard was suppose to be the forward, but he clearly wasn't getting anything from being there and being the smart player he is he drifted deeper and more to the left (where Martinelli was struggling) giving the simpleton that is Kai all the space he needed to operate.

Yes, he has no business playing the Xhaka role, even the blind can see that now, but even as a striker, he is and has always been utterly toothless in the EPL and their was bags of empirical evidence that supported this already.

Say what you like about Eddie's quality, but he got the job done in a few minutes.

Havertz was a £65m gift to Chelsea which they used to get players we had already identified. Simple.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Did you not watch the 1st half....I mean even I missed their goal but I did see all the half chances where Kai pretended he'd never been a striker before! Yes, I understand Trossard was suppose to be the forward, but he clearly wasn't getting anything from being there and being the smart player he is he drifted deeper and more to the left (where Martinelli was struggling) giving the simpleton that is Kai all the space he needed to operate.

Yes, he has no business playing the Xhaka role, even the blind can see that now, but even as a striker, he is and has always been utterly toothless in the EPL and their was bags of empirical evidence that supported this already.

Say what you like about Eddie's quality, but he got the job done in a few minutes.

Havertz was a £65m gift to Chelsea which they used to get players we had already identified. Simple.

Disagree, don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t have bought him either but when you look at how bad Odegaard has been lately I’d play Havertz there simply because he can hold up the ball. He was horrible today, when even Arteta decided to sub him that was painfully obvious. But whilst I’d have never signed him in a million years, we don’t have a player who can hold up the ball and if you played him in the hole where he could switch between that and a front two with Eddie, I actually think you’d see the best out of him.

Eddie scored but still too indecisive and panics when put through.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Honestly if it wasn’t for the fact that we were playing United next week I’d drop Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard for next week


Play a front four of Havertz, Nelson, Trossard and Edward…Nelson on the left, Trossard on the right


Our defence is always horrible at home, but scoring 5 goals in 3 games (two of them penalties) is offensive to me

[Mac76]

I have no problem with Havertz playing, in fact I’d start him over Odegaard…just not in central midfield


I think people here will have to concede that Rice shouldn’t be playing for us, doesn’t suit the way we play and isn’t quick enough to neutralise Fulham counter attacks

Completely wrong, how anyone can want to see Havertz in an Arsenal shirt again is beyond me, you.literally can't have actually been watching the game

He's slow, both physically and mentally and serves no useful purpose wherever you put him, while Odegaard is a bit out of sorts that is where I blame the system and in particular not playing White at RB given how well he links up with Odegasrd and Saka when he is played there

And you really do need to get over the Rice hate, I thought he was one of our better players, as did everyone else I spoke to at, and after, the game

[HCZ_Reborn]

Completely wrong, how anyone can want to see Havertz in an Arsenal shirt again is beyond me, you.literally can't have actually been watching the game

He's slow, both physically and mentally and serves no useful purpose wherever you put him, while Odegaard is a bit out of sorts that is where I blame the system and in particular not playing White at RB given how well he links up with Odegasrd and Saka when he is played there

And you really do need to get over the Rice hate, I thought he was one of our better players, as did everyone else I spoke to at, and after, the game

I saw the game, you need to get over this peculiar tendency you have of being unable to understand the perspective of people who don’t agree with you. I don’t think that anyone who has ever watched a game would ever risk playing White at right back ever again, because of his inability to deal with pace or prevent crosses from coming in. But that’s just a different opinion.
I get it, Havertz was terrible but I don’t agree that he serves no useful purpose. I have stated until I was blue in the face that we need someone who can hold up the ball and provide aerial threat. Now Havertz absolutely would not have been my preferred option to do this, but the fact is he does offer those things.

It’s funny how you criticise Arteta for not wanting to rotate, but yet you’re so certain this player or that player must never play for us as if somehow we have a bottomless pit of squad depth.

Also please stop using silly emotional words like Hate, I don’t hate Rice but he’s not the right player for us, if we played a more defensive minded game it would make sense but actually playing him is a hinderance in games like Fulham because the space we leave to be attacked with pace completely makes him a pointless addition.

[Mac76]

It's not about someone disagreeing, it's when they can't see what's right in front of them that bemuses me

Havertz is patently awful, if a player is awful we shouldn't play him, it's that simple

White is a better defender than some people give him credit for, plua what he offers as an attacking option, linking up witb Saka and Odegaard, is a real benefit

I don't see how you think Rice isn't needed, we need a good DM and that's essentially the role he's playing, plus he plays some good intelligent passes forward

Vieira showed what can be done in that 8 role when you can actually play to a good level

The lineup against Moan U should be as follows:

Ram
White
Saliba
Gabriel
Tierney
Rice
Vieira
Saka
Trossard
Martinelli
Eddie (in leiu of buying a better striker)

We all know it won't happen, not least because Arteta has favourites in Zin and Havertz, plus he doesn't like Tierney and, it increasingly seems, Gabriel - another very good player Arteta is putting on the scrap heap, presumably for some petty reason or other

[Chippy]

Ramsdale 6 - Didn’t do a lot wrong for either goal was a virtual spectator


White 5 - Needs to be dropped


Saliba 6 - Needs to be playing alongside Gabriel


Kiwior 5 - Not his fault, he shouldn’t be playing at left back


Partey 5 - Vacates the space because he’s a midfielder not a right back


Rice 5 - How many times did I say we shouldn’t be starting with him


Havertz - 3 - We’ve got to stop playing him as a central midfielder he isn’t one


Martinelli - 6 - Got what were a few tame shots away but hasn’t looked right all season


Odegaard - 5 - Trying hard but it’s not coming off for him


Saka - 5 Careless in giving the ball away for their first goal


Trossard - 7 - Our best player first half, why he was brought off I don’t know



Subs -


Jorginho 5 - Anonymous

Zinchenko 3 - We can’t play him at left back all season, it’d be suicide

Vieira 7.5 - Won a pen, got an assist and was unlucky not to score himself


Nketiah 6.5 - Yes he scored but too timid, and passed up other opportunities to score

Jesus 5 - Did nothing




From back to front this was an utter disaster, it’s been waiting to happen since the start of the season. In some ways if it ends the Havertz playing central midfield experiment, Partey playing at right back experiment….then in some ways it’s a blessing in disguise. Holding on to the lead today would have been a travesty in a game we deserved to lose. There are goals in this side, but we need to play in a way conducive to getting those goals from us and we look massively unbalanced. There’s only one man to blame for that, you know how I feel….every game this man continues to coach this football club is an affront to us. But I have to accept he’s not getting the boot and hope against hope that today is a blasting alarm clock wake up call for him.

To make things worse, West Ham and scum in the top two. FFS.