Is Ramsey the new Flamini

[AKBapologist]

Before his leg break, I always saw Ramsey as an attacking player, a frank lampard style - goals from midfield type player who was clinical in the box and could be counted on to pop a decent shot in.

Then stoke happened.


And then he was reliably shit, a David Bentley style player, always trying the fancy shit without ever pulling off the basics, getting dispossessed, playing denilson-esq hospital balls and just switching off at completely the wrong times. I figured he was shot...

30 games later however. He's learnt how to do the basics again, stopped looking knackered after 30 minutes on the pitch, there are the odd hospital balls now and again, but they are the exception rather than the norm. He never did get back his preditorial instincts infront of goal, but instead, it seems, he learned something far more valuable. He learned how to tackle. He has some of the best tackling stats in the league, frequency, success rate, miles covered per game. He and Arteta, have probably just as much to do with our no loses in 10 games as our back line. I don't think I've seen this level of tenacity combined with an engine, since Flamini, and it can only get better. Aaron Ramsey won't reach his peak as a footballer for another 5 years, and if he continues this level of commitment then who knows who we'll be comparing him to next.

Thoughts?

[Munchies]

No way, the thing with Ramsey is we all hoped he'd be a Cesc sort of player, a player who had vision and good passing ability.

He doesn't.

So right now he's basically a Park-Ji-Sung sort of player, not good at anything but not that bad either and still puts a shift in.

Good for a squad player, but shouldn't start imo.

Flamini was amazing at covering our defence.

[JonasTC]

Right now im mostly leaning towards what Munchies are saying - His technical ability isnt good enough for our level.

But at the same time, how much he have improved during 2013 is amazing and im willing to give him another season, to see where he takes this

[Gooner23]

Definitely improved as the season went on, but that's not saying much considering how average he has been since the leg break.

I like his endeavour, and he certainly works his socks off. But for me, he's not a natural holding mid. Still has a habit of over complicating and getting caught on the ball in dangerous positions. His passing is also very limited.

All that being said, I think he could develop into a very useful squad player.

[BOBN]

I dont see this tenacity people talk about. He does everything in slow motion.

Flamini carried Fabregas, did the work of two men. Ramsey is barely carrying himself.

[Marc Overmars]

I agree Ramzi is more of a grafter these days, he's carved out that role for himself now. Technically I think he's fairly limited but he doesn't infuriate me as much as he used to.

Still think we need to upgrade our central midfield though.

[IBK]

No way, the thing with Ramsey is we all hoped he'd be a Cesc sort of player, a player who had vision and good passing ability.

He doesn't.

So right now he's basically a Park-Ji-Sung sort of player, not good at anything but not that bad either and still puts a shift in.

Good for a squad player, but shouldn't start imo.

Flamini was amazing at covering our defence.

IMO part of our defensively solid run in was down to Ramsey playing well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Before his leg break, I always saw Ramsey as an attacking player, a frank lampard style - goals from midfield type player who was clinical in the box and could be counted on to pop a decent shot in.

Then stoke happened.


And then he was reliably shit, a David Bentley style player, always trying the fancy shit without ever pulling off the basics, getting dispossessed, playing denilson-esq hospital balls and just switching off at completely the wrong times. I figured he was shot...

30 games later however. He's learnt how to do the basics again, stopped looking knackered after 30 minutes on the pitch, there are the odd hospital balls now and again, but they are the exception rather than the norm. He never did get back his preditorial instincts infront of goal, but instead, it seems, he learned something far more valuable. He learned how to tackle. He has some of the best tackling stats in the league, frequency, success rate, miles covered per game. He and Arteta, have probably just as much to do with our no loses in 10 games as our back line. I don't think I've seen this level of tenacity combined with an engine, since Flamini, and it can only get better. Aaron Ramsey won't reach his peak as a footballer for another 5 years, and if he continues this level of commitment then who knows who we'll be comparing him to next.

Thoughts?

No, he's not the new Flamini. Flamini is a traitorous **** who had one good season and then ditched the club that made his name. Who the fuck was Flamini before Arsenal?

Ramsey is a loyal, hard working, pretty shit footballer. I'd take him over Flamini any day because I know he;d put in the shift for the club rather than his own personal advancement. I'm not saying he doesn't consider this. how would I know? But he runs for 90 minutes and seems to actually give a fuck about outcome - rare in the modern player (the modern player being an epic **** who should die painfully, I fucking HATE the modern player).

Who do we have?

Jack. Kos. Jenks. Arteta. Ramsey. Maybe Ches but he could be pulling our leg. I even think TV but he's just too shite (mea culpa for thinking he wasn't, I hold my hands up, those who feel the need can now gloat).

Ramsey is better than that bastard Walcott.

I see what you are saying with the comparison to Flamini, but Flamini was a lot more dynamic and powerful. Ramsey is pretty shite by comparison, but i like him because he has the right attitude. He could carry water for us if he had better players around him.

[Cripps_orig]

Oh dear

Woefully wrong about Flamini and Walcott in one post.

Impressive.

[Power n Glory]

Ramsey is better than that bastard Walcott.

I think it's personal.