Wenger Slaughterhouse

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Sadly, this thread has just added an extra outlet for the Wenger-bashers other than keeping it away from other threads.

disgusting how the best manager in the league is treated tbh

[Cripps_orig]

disgusting how the best manager in the league is treated tbh

Ferguson is a **** tbh

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Ferguson is a **** tbh

yeah but wenger introduced steroids into the premier league

[Joker]

A lot of people when defending Wenger keep going on about how intelligent he is, that he has a masters degree in economics, and therefore he can't be some sort of bumbling idiot, and consequently should be given time to get things right at Arsenal.

However, I wonder how much of this "intelligence" is simply a myth propagated by people who still have in their mind the bookish, glasses wear professor who came to Arsenal in the mid 90s, with revolutionary ideas about diet, fitness, sports science etc. However, he didn't come up with those ideas, and it was well known in Europe that proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle are essential factors that influence performance on the field. England was behind the curve yes, but the fact that Wenger simply brought over pre-existing ideas doesn't make him intelligent IMO.

Moreover, his obsession with statistics may make him look numerate, but he's not the only manager who likes looking at the data. Sam Allardyce also thought that statistics were important to understand the value of individual players or how to improve tactically, and no one claims he's clever. In any case, isn't it also true that a sign of intelligence is also to know the limits of data, and knowing what such statistics can and can't tell us about the real world. Wenger persisted with Denilson for a long time, even though most fans could see he was a hindrance in the midfield. Wenger justified this by claiming the statistics show he's a good passer of the ball, he covers a lot of yards etc. However, this was a classic case of Wenger ignoring reality and being so besotted by statistics that he failed to see what was obvious, that Denilson wasn't good enough.

I haven't even mentioned the huge failings tactically that Wenger has made over the last 6 years, of playing players out of positions, bizarre substitutions, failing to augment the squad with real quality to allow us to compete on multiple fronts, etc etc. Most supporters could see all this, and we're not football experts and most of us don't have degrees in economics. So either Wenger's intelligence is vastly overrated or us fans are extremely smart people.

[Flavs]

but the fact that Wenger simply brought over pre-existing ideas doesn't make him intelligent IMO.

And that, is why you fail.

[Xhaka Can’t]

A lot of people when defending Wenger keep going on about how intelligent he is, that he has a masters degree in economics, and therefore he can't be some sort of bumbling idiot, and consequently should be given time to get things right at Arsenal.

However, I wonder how much of this "intelligence" is simply a myth propagated by people who still have in their mind the bookish, glasses wear professor who came to Arsenal in the mid 90s, with revolutionary ideas about diet, fitness, sports science etc. However, he didn't come up with those ideas, and it was well known in Europe that proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle are essential factors that influence performance on the field. England was behind the curve yes, but the fact that Wenger simply brought over pre-existing ideas doesn't make him intelligent IMO.

Moreover, his obsession with statistics may make him look numerate, but he's not the only manager who likes looking at the data. Sam Allardyce also thought that statistics were important to understand the value of individual players or how to improve tactically, and no one claims he's clever. In any case, isn't it also true that a sign of intelligence is also to know the limits of data, and knowing what such statistics can and can't tell us about the real world. Wenger persisted with Denilson for a long time, even though most fans could see he was a hindrance in the midfield. Wenger justified this by claiming the statistics show he's a good passer of the ball, he covers a lot of yards etc. However, this was a classic case of Wenger ignoring reality and being so besotted by statistics that he failed to see what was obvious, that Denilson wasn't good enough.

I haven't even mentioned the huge failings tactically that Wenger has made over the last 6 years, of playing players out of positions, bizarre substitutions, failing to augment the squad with real quality to allow us to compete on multiple fronts, etc etc. Most supporters could see all this, and we're not football experts and most of us don't have degrees in economics. So either Wenger's intelligence is vastly overrated or us fans are extremely smart people.

Can someone close this and move the post to the slaughterhouse thread?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

the problem is that sometimes success makes you ignorant and stubborn enough to warp your judgement and affect what others view as simple common sense decisions. the guy was the first manager to take a team through a season unbeaten in england, so who are the fans to tell him what to do? or the board? or even alex ferguson?

[Power n Glory]

He's intelligent but he'a human also. The youth project hasn't worked out as predicted an they've made some errors along the way. Hopefully, we get back on track and it looks like we're trying to considering the latest transfers we've made.

[V-Pig]

Having a Masters is usually a reasonable indication of intelligence, as is fluency in one or more foreign languages.

Whether or not you don't like him for his tactics or perceived stubbornness doesn't relate to his intelligence, Shirley?

[Letters]

Revisionism

And to answer the initial question: yes.

Did he invent the idea that going out on the piss every evening isn't conducive to performing well in sport? No.