He goes on about doing things the right way and then ignores the fact the fans are treated very poorly and with very little respect, yet they're the ones who have made the financial side viable in the 1st place, double standards if you ask me.
So...it was the fans who turned the clubs fortunes round from being mid table shit kickers in winning stuff and being good??
Cool.
Of course it was the fans, and not the players and manager, who won the games and scored the goals. But it was the players and manager who let in the goals.Originally Posted by Obiwan Kenobinil
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I think, when you hear the guy speak like he did for instance about Man Utd vs Barcelona then I find it very hard to believe he isn't someone who fails to understand what is happening. The fact he hasn't done a huge amount to rectify it though, is the baffling part.
@Toronto Gooner ;
No, they just part with their hard earned cash, seeing it frittered away on massive wage bills, on a team which Wenger refuses to correct the obvious.
TG, I know you like to look at the other perspective, but even you must admitt there are basic errors that need addressing. And given the fans patience in paying for the highest price ticket in the world....can you not afford them/us a little bit of anger at the way things have gone??
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
That's just it really. He is as intelligent as they come and has spoken several times about our defensive downfall, but we actually seem to get worse in this area rather than improve. After 5 years you think we'd be talking about something different now but we're not. We're not a million miles away but it feels like we are because there's nothing to suggest we can learn from the mistakes of the past. We can't seriously expect to succeed conceding around 40 goals a season.
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 24-05-2011 at 01:46 PM.
a) I was referring the financial side which is primarily income from the fans
b) We won stuff before Wenger let's get that clear, Graham won a number of trophies (Rioch moved us towards the top half of the table as well)
Anyway Wenger did amazingly in his first spell there's no debating that, but at this stage if the fans didn't pay those ridiculous prices Wenger wouldn't be able to do whatever it is he does. You've got to feel sorry for those guys, they're getting shortchanged big time.
What's worse is they get very little respect, it's like it or lump it.....they couldn't really care less if they're happy or not as long as there's money rolling in.....a sad state of affairs if you ask me.
Last edited by Özim; 24-05-2011 at 02:19 PM.
Agreed the fans part with their hard earned cash to watch the team they support. But tell me how the fans have been "treated very poorly and with very little respect,"? Yes, the wage bill is high but I read a recent blog which stated that the wage bill includes all the backroom staff which other clubs apparently do not do. I cannot say whether this is true or not but it would put the bill into perspective if it is.
As for the price of the ticket, I presume that you are referring to the cost of a season ticket. Yes, Arsenal's most expensive season ticket is very, very high but
(1) How many are there at that price? (compared to other clubs)
(2) Do the other clubs include tickets to cup matches like Arsenal? (I read that Man U does not)
(3) What is the average price of a season ticket?
(4) Arsenal's cheapest gameday ticket is cheaper that Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea, and only £1 more expensive than Man U's.
Yes, the fans are right to feel let down but sometimes I think that the anger is a little OTT.
A quick comparison, the cheapest season ticket for the New York Giants (NFL) is US$85 (£52) per game, with a personal seat license costing US$1,000.
While all answers are responses, not all responses are answers.
Or put another way, the whole of sport is just crazy now.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
I think he knows what's wrong as much as any fan does given his comments about our set-piece issues and weak mentality, he was trying to bring in that extra 2% with guys like Vermaelen and Koscielny (i.e. guys with a bit of determination) at the back and Chamakh up top (someone who's won titles, even if they're French, and has top level experience) but failed. Now he's going to try and bring it in again with changing up the squad and presumably bringing in more experience again, he needs to get it right as this'll be the 3rd straight year of failure imo and that needs to change.
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