Match Reaction v Aston Villa

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

he's not the best manager in the last 20 years.

he's the best manager ever.

any man utd fan wanting him out deserves to be shot.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is there a problem with that?

I was answering the question:

More important question is.. would Fergie have stayed on his job being a puppet of the board happy to collect his paycheck, all the while not being able to buy/sell players he wants?

The answer to that question is very clearly yes, he would be prepared to do that and in fact that's exactly what he has done.

I personally don't think the original question was important at all. The more important question, I believe, is why some of our fans are suddenly passionate about backing Ferguson for doing exactly what they criticise Wenger so vehemently for? Granted, Ferguson has continued to bring in the trophies but he's still compromised many of his beliefs and he's significantly changed his transfer policies as a result of the arrival of the Glaziers. Without a Ronaldo who knows how poorly Utd would have fared over the last few transfer windows? That one sale has covered for an otherwise glaring lack of investment in the club.

I agree, there can't be many Utd fans who have such vitriol for their manager as there are Arsenal fans who despise Wenger. Is this simply a matter of trophies then? Is the whole, "Why doesn't he do the honourable thing and resign", argument just a heap of bullshit that applies only to Wenger but not to any other manager?

[GP]

any man utd fan deserves to be shot.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not really no, he's at a club who back his vision of success, the board back him when he wants to sign someone and why wouldn't they when he's delivered so much success.

That's just nonsense. The board's financial backing has been lukewarm at best over recent years. They are far more concerned about shovelling money out of the club to pay back the loan they needed to buy-in in the first place. A disgrace in itself. At least Kroenke had the money. Take away the astounding amount paid when Utd had their own RvC moment when Ronaldo left and what do you see?

Don't be confused wither by the financial clout of Utd compared to Arsenal. We're only building our muscle, Utd have been bulked up for years all on the back of the great success achieved in earlier decades and then by Ferguson and the genuine backing he got from the previous board. It all sounds very similar if you ask me. Another set of vampires in to suck a club dry while the manager is left to keep the ship afloat.

And while the admiration for Ferguson is running so high on this Arsenal forum (and it's deserved) drop an email to the man himself and ask him what he genuinely thinks about Wenger. I think he might appreciate very well at least certain aspects of the job our own manager has been doing.

[Özim]

And while the admiration for Ferguson is running so high on this Arsenal forum (and it's deserved) drop an email to the man himself and ask him what he genuinely thinks about Wenger. I think he might appreciate very well at least certain aspects of the job our own manager has been doing.

7 years ago he thought he was a tw*t and hated him, now he's only got good things to say about him, work that out.

[fakeyank]

One of hundreds of similar articles you can find related to Ferguson's support for owners that are hated by the fans. Lot's of examples there about the dramatic decline in Utd's net spending so imported debt can be repaid, plus Ferguson's strange excuses in the transfer market.

I never mentioned SAF did not support the owners. Heck, he loves them.. he gets paid by them and more importantly, he gets to buy/sell players he wants. Even if he doesnt want to sell them. Ex: Ronaldo, he makes sure he get a bloody good deal out of it. And then with that very same money, re-invest it in the team!
Our manager on the other hand will beg the board to reduce the price of a player (Fabregas) so the player can fulfill his dream. And even when we get half decent money for a world class player, we do not even re-invest that money. You seriously cannot tell me that if SAF played under the same pressure, he'd still be sucking up to the Glazers.

I am sure there might have been instances where probably SAF was told by the board that signing a player was out of their league and he had to work within his boundaries. However if he were to be told 'NO' for every little transfer. Ex: 1 million extra quid for Schwarzer or 2 million for Alonso would not be available, he'd have told them fuck off and die OR more importantly, he would have quit and not tarnished his reputation for some greedy cocks.

[Niall_Quinn]

7 years ago he thought he was a tw*t and hated him, now he's only got good things to say about him, work that out.

You honestly believe it's as simple as that?

But you guys. As soon as one of the Wenger effigies is shown to be a fake you just move on to the next one.

[Özim]

That's just nonsense. The board's financial backing has been lukewarm at best over recent years. They are far more concerned about shovelling money out of the club to pay back the loan they needed to buy-in in the first place. A disgrace in itself. At least Kroenke had the money. Take away the astounding amount paid when Utd had their own RvC moment when Ronaldo left and what do you see?

Don't be confused wither by the financial clout of Utd compared to Arsenal. We're only building our muscle, Utd have been bulked up for years all on the back of the great success achieved in earlier decades and then by Ferguson and the genuine backing he got from the previous board. It all sounds very similar if you ask me. Another set of vampires in to suck a club dry while the manager is left to keep the ship afloat.

Luke warm?

Last summer: Robin van Persie (Arsenal, £24m), Shinji Kagawa (Dortmund, £17m), Nick Powell (Crewe, £4m), Alexander Buttner (Vitesse Arnhem, £4m)

The summer before: David De Gea (Atletico Madrid, £17.8m), Phil Jones (Blackburn, £16.5m), Ashley Young (Aston Villa, £16m).

That's not bad.

[Niall_Quinn]

I never mentioned SAF did not support the owners. Heck, he loves them.. he gets paid by them and more importantly, he gets to buy/sell players he wants. Even if he doesnt want to sell them. Ex: Ronaldo, he makes sure he get a bloody good deal out of it. And then with that very same money, re-invest it in the team!
Our manager on the other hand will beg the board to reduce the price of a player (Fabregas) so the player can fulfill his dream. And even when we get half decent money for a world class player, we do not even re-invest that money. You seriously cannot tell me that if SAF played under the same pressure, he'd still be sucking up to the Glazers.

I am sure there might have been instances where probably SAF was told by the board that signing a player was out of their league and he had to work within his boundaries. However if he were to be told 'NO' for every little transfer. Ex: 1 million extra quid for Schwarzer or 2 million for Alonso would not be available, he'd have told them fuck off and die OR more importantly, he would have quit and not tarnished his reputation for some greedy cocks.

Oh okay. Glad you have such a finely tuned grasp of what Ferguson would or wouldn't have done in various imaginary situations. And I agree, these imagined events certainly cast Wenger in a poor light.

[Özim]

You honestly believe it's as simple as that?

But you guys. As soon as one of the Wenger effigies is shown to be a fake you just move on to the next one.

Yes it is, since Wenger became a loser and no longer competition to Ferguson he's changed his view, he use to hate him and would always say all kinds of things to slate him.....in a way Ferguson having good things to say about him just shows how poor Wenger has become.