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    To be fair, I think Wenger knows what happens, and he knows it well. But somehow the guy has deep mixed emotions as to the best way to fix (at least the major) problems. For example, of all the "failed" young prospects, how many of them has he actually sold, instead of letting their contracts expire? What would happen if either Denilson or Bendtner didnīt express their desire to leave the club? He tends to stick with players (his not-to-disrupt-squad philosophy), even if he knows they wonīt contribute to the team as much as he had thought, and just sits (or loan) them until they fade away.

    Or maybe he hasnīt got a clue after all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vela View Post
    I think he knows what's wrong as much as any fan does given his comments about our set-piece issues and weak mentality, he was trying to bring in that extra 2% with guys like Vermaelen and Koscielny (i.e. guys with a bit of determination) at the back and Chamakh up top (someone who's won titles, even if they're French, and has top level experience) but failed. Now he's going to try and bring it in again with changing up the squad and presumably bringing in more experience again, he needs to get it right as this'll be the 3rd straight year of failure imo and that needs to change.
    As always - a logical argument, but I'm not sure I reach quite the same conclusion. The team's defensive vulnerability - particularly to set pieces - could be seen by a child. I'm not sure I have seen any comments demonstrating his acknowledgment that we do not utilise our offensive set pieces properly. We sure as hell don't seem to train for them!

    AW may be looking to bring in players to try to solve the issue, but he's been trying that for 4 years and it hasn't worked. Look how many CB's he's been through (in itself not a good sign in the position where stability is needed most). I think your suggested solution almost justifies my question - because I am far from convinced that its an issue of personnel. I believe it to be an issue of having a proper defensive coach, and playing more effectively as a team when it comes to defend.

    So I think my question still stands..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elreactor View Post
    To be fair, I think Wenger knows what happens, and he knows it well. But somehow the guy has deep mixed emotions as to the best way to fix (at least the major) problems. For example, of all the "failed" young prospects, how many of them has he actually sold, instead of letting their contracts expire? What would happen if either Denilson or Bendtner didnīt express their desire to leave the club? He tends to stick with players (his not-to-disrupt-squad philosophy), even if he knows they wonīt contribute to the team as much as he had thought, and just sits (or loan) them until they fade away.

    Or maybe he hasnīt got a clue after all.
    Arsene thinks he's building a family, not a team. He should be a foster parent not a football manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    I think, when you hear the guy speak like he did for instance about Man Utd vs Barcelona then I find it very hard to believe he isn't someone who fails to understand what is happening. The fact he hasn't done a huge amount to rectify it though, is the baffling part.
    So...then...you find it easy to believe he IS someone who fails to understand what's happening?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    So...then...you find it easy to believe he IS someone who fails to understand what's happening?

    Yeah I noticed I had put isn't by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Arsene thinks he's building a family, not a team. He should be a foster parent not a football manager.
    Exactly, thats the flaw of this project of his, he thought that the players would grow together and form some sort of "remember the titans" bond. Delusion in this day and age, especially when the majority of the players he brought in and were not coming up through the academy from a young age.

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    I don't think he does understand what's wrong (what is wrong btw?)

    From my perspective we've been a lot luckier with injuries this season - in that points were not dropped due to players being out. The second half of the season, when we capitulated, we had Van Persie playing nearly every game. When Vermin was injured earlier on in the season, I remember doing just fine for a good while. Same for when Fab and Nas were out - we didn't miss them as we have missed our 'bigger' players in previous seasons. Walcott was definitely a bit of a blow, but as most people realise by now, it's not about the '1st choice' 11, but about the squad, and in my eyes we had the squad to cope.

    My overriding point is this: YES some of our players aren't good enough, YES we had injuries (like always) - but I don't see how the connection between these two things, and being the best team in the country for the first half of the season, and falling to shit in the second.

    So what is wrong then? It HAS to come down to 'mentality', ironically a word you would be hard pressed not to find in one of Wenger's post-match interviews or The Official Manager's Email™

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    Agreed the fans part with their hard earned cash to watch the team they support. But tell me how the fans have been "treated very poorly and with very little respect,"? Yes, the wage bill is high but I read a recent blog which stated that the wage bill includes all the backroom staff which other clubs apparently do not do. I cannot say whether this is true or not but it would put the bill into perspective if it is.

    As for the price of the ticket, I presume that you are referring to the cost of a season ticket. Yes, Arsenal's most expensive season ticket is very, very high but
    (1) How many are there at that price? (compared to other clubs)
    (2) Do the other clubs include tickets to cup matches like Arsenal? (I read that Man U does not)
    (3) What is the average price of a season ticket?
    (4) Arsenal's cheapest gameday ticket is cheaper that Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea, and only Ģ1 more expensive than Man U's.

    Yes, the fans are right to feel let down but sometimes I think that the anger is a little OTT.

    A quick comparison, the cheapest season ticket for the New York Giants (NFL) is US$85 (Ģ52) per game, with a personal seat license costing US$1,000.
    So our wage bill isn't that high because we include staff wages in the report. Why do that? Everyone is under the impression that we can't afford the wages of certain players because it's already high. If that's not the case then I'd say the board and Wenger are pulling a fast one. Since Henry, Dennis and co left, our wage bill must have gone down but we they perpetuate this notion of us being stretched at the seams and having to count every penat. Why include the staff wages in these reports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng View Post
    As always - a logical argument, but I'm not sure I reach quite the same conclusion. The team's defensive vulnerability - particularly to set pieces - could be seen by a child. I'm not sure I have seen any comments demonstrating his acknowledgment that we do not utilise our offensive set pieces properly. We sure as hell don't seem to train for them!

    AW may be looking to bring in players to try to solve the issue, but he's been trying that for 4 years and it hasn't worked. Look how many CB's he's been through (in itself not a good sign in the position where stability is needed most). I think your suggested solution almost justifies my question - because I am far from convinced that its an issue of personnel. I believe it to be an issue of having a proper defensive coach, and playing more effectively as a team when it comes to defend.

    So I think my question still stands..
    Bugger, could have sworn I'd already replied to this, see if I can remember what I said.

    I see the problem as being a lack of 'gamecraft' as much as anything else i.e. knowing when to sit a little deeper and defend like your life depended on it and knowing when to stream forwards, as well as a bit of a weakness on set-pieces. Experienced players tend to have better gamecraft than youngsters and this is the kind of mentality we need more of in our squad, more experience will help the mental side of the game imo. If we do that and spend some time on the training ground trying to learn how to defend a set-piece then we'll be set up nicely (although I'm more sceptical about us actually working on things in training personally...).

    It's either the balance of the personnel is off (in terms of mentality, we've got the talent more or less covered) imo or else there really is a deeper rot in the club and the fact we get so close to winning trophies is something of a minor miracle. I think it's worth asking the question when we fail so emphatically at roughly the same point every season, it's not a coincidence and given that this failure is far worse than before as it was mostly our first 11 failing miserably so it will probably engender a bigger clearout in the summer. As you say, if we can't freshen it up with personnel then we're pretty screwed as there won't be sweeping changes in the style or training system.

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