Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
I don't think honestly we've had a strong vociferous captain since Tony Adams

Vieira had his strengths, but he wasn't a shouter or a natural leader, but he was smart enough to compensate for that (for example he would tell Sol Campbell to constantly shout at him if he thought that he wasn't doing a good enough job of protecting the back line)

He had the respect of the players, and even though the captaincy was given to him to stop him from leaving you would see in pre match warm ups that he'd be talking to the players.

Henry wasn't a great captain, he was too much of an individual and you could see him get very frustrated when players couldn't match his abilities.

Gilberto could have been given more time, but actually stripping him of the captaincy and giving it to Gallas was one of the few times Wenger has been ruthless with his decision making. Gallas was vociferous, but clearly a complete prick and unable to inspire people.

Fabregas did ok but was arguably too young.

Van Persie was just another sop to stop him from leaving which he did.

Arteta very smart but not a leader on the pitch
Possibly Wenger's most shameful moment at the club. One of the most idiotic things he has done, in a catalogue of idiocy.

Read Ollie Holt's piece from this weekend. It really does capture very well where the club and the fans are now. Half the fan base is listening to idiots like Holt and eating it all up. After a decade of this shit any other manager at any other club would be vilified by this stage. Instead it's the job of some fans to cast around for any excuse or alternative scapegoat. Wenger can't cut it and hasn't been able to cut it for years? Easy solution! Get rid of Ozil.

I mean it's laughable. Do anything bar fixing the huge and obvious problem. Blame anyone except the guy who has been fucking it up for the last 13 years.