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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    This, by the way. THIS! Is why I'll defend Wenger.

    There are some things which he shouldn't be defended from. He didn't sign a striker this summer. It seems like he tried, but he failed. If that costs us then he should be criticised. I do think he was right not to sign another 'Welbeck', either get someone who can properly push us on or don't bother. I agree with that. But we needed someone to push us on.

    But "he doesn't like to spend money", "he doesn't want to win", "he's happy with top 4 and doesn't want to do better".

    Please. Spare me that balls.
    A handful of journos come out for Wenger over the weekend with their 'no to average players' and 'Wenger did the best in the transfer window' guff. By Monday the sheeple are regurgitating. It may be true that Wenger couldn't find anyone - actually it's not true at all but let's pretend. So let's take the wise journo fashion statements and ask a simple question.

    Why did we sign the first 'average Welbeck'?

    Why did we sign Giroud?

    Flamini?

    Sanogo?

    Park?

    The guy with broken back?

    And the rest.

    So let's not sack him for this window - let's sack him for all the other ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Maybe not interested in winning and hates spending are too strong an example but do you think he really does enough to justify being a manager interested in absolutely getting the best out of his team because I certainly dont.

    I know there are extreme views amongst the fanbase but I am firmly in the "Wenger" doesn't do enough camp. I don't agree that he isn't interested in winning or hates spending but I would say that he is only interested in winning under his own "terms" and is a reluctant spender in the market. Also onto the striker stuff, he's not only had just this summer to sort it, he has had previous windows and has done nothing, he has failed. Why on earth does it take so long to rectify problematic areas of the team/squad? It's not just the striker position, he has form for neglecting areas of the squad and being reluctant to rectify them in the market. He has only just recently bought a decent keeper in Cech, how long have we had to suffer with his crazy faith in sub-par keepers?

    Onto the he doesn't like winning, well I think he handicaps himself by his own philosophy/methodology, it handicaps us as a team and he is placing unnecessary self-enforced barriers in the way of the team progressing.

    That's my own take on things, it's not that he is rubbish or the worst manager in the world but his flaws which are pretty big IMO are holding back the team.

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    Wenger's still probably the best around in the transfer market. Every club signs duds, Alex Ferguson signed a shitload more even proportionately. Welbeck and Debuchy are duds but every top club makes many more mistakes. he won't have a 100% success rate, even 50% would beat his competition. The unfortunate part is after that, he doesn't seem to offer a lot or demand higher standards from himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    That position is unusually sensible for this place
    I still want him sacked though....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Wenger's still probably the best around in the transfer market. Every club signs duds, Alex Ferguson signed a shitload more even proportionately. Welbeck and Debuchy are duds but every top club makes many more mistakes. he won't have a 100% success rate, even 50% would beat his competition. The unfortunate part is after that, he doesn't seem to offer a lot or demand higher standards from himself.
    I agree that Wenger is one of the best in the market but he certainly doesn't rank high when it comes to rectifying issues within, that's where the likes of Fergie outclass Wenger as a manager, sorry but its just the way I see it. Fergie won back to back titles with a squad full of average players in his latter years, it's only since Moyes/LVG that United have been splashing the cash because in the latter years of Fergie, he/they didn't really invest that well and not that much.

    United is a big club to put ourselves against but the bottomline is that this stadium move was touted as a way of increasing our revenue and getting us competing against the world's leading clubs. We need to start behaving like a big club, I don't mean by spending ourselves to bankruptcy but we need to be more proactive and less reactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Wenger's still probably the best around in the transfer market. Every club signs duds, Alex Ferguson signed a shitload more even proportionately. Welbeck and Debuchy are duds but every top club makes many more mistakes. he won't have a 100% success rate, even 50% would beat his competition. The unfortunate part is after that, he doesn't seem to offer a lot or demand higher standards from himself.
    Debuchy was just unfortunate with injuries. As Selassie says, the main problem with Wenger is not addressing long standing issues we've had. Yes, he should demand more of himself and I don't understand why the pressure has to come from elsewhere for him to correct things. He's a football nut with so much knowledge so what we've seen over the years is just totally baffling.

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    To mention a few examples
    Stuck with Almunia for 5 seasons even when it was patently obvious that he was worse than poo

    Stuck, with Djourou/Senderos when literally every game they would cost us points.

    Chamakh....waited for a whole year to get him on a free, turned out to be more afraid of the goal, than little bo peep is afraid of a Wolf

    Eboue....nuff said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    This, by the way. THIS! Is why I'll defend Wenger.

    There are some things which he shouldn't be defended from. He didn't sign a striker this summer. It seems like he tried, but he failed. If that costs us then he should be criticised. I do think he was right not to sign another 'Welbeck', either get someone who can properly push us on or don't bother. I agree with that. But we needed someone to push us on.

    But "he doesn't like to spend money", "he doesn't want to win", "he's happy with top 4 and doesn't want to do better".

    Please. Spare me that balls.
    I thought your stance was "he didn't sign a striker, if that costs us then he should be sacked"

    Hmm, how quickly you change your tune

    Also, from what I understand, we could've got Cavani, but the price didn't match 'our valuation'. The. We were offered Ibra on loan for the season - to which we agreed to pay his wages but we couldn't agree the loan fee.

    Sorry but a player like Ibra is a game changer and would've pushed us on. Even if the fee was £20m it would have been worth it.

    This bullshit about there being no playa available is getting fucking tiresome tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Debuchy was just unfortunate with injuries. As Selassie says, the main problem with Wenger is not addressing long standing issues we've had. Yes, he should demand more of himself and I don't understand why the pressure has to come from elsewhere for him to correct things. He's a football nut with so much knowledge so what we've seen over the years is just totally baffling.
    I like Wenger as a human being and I agree with mostly everything he says. Not being silly here, his views on football and how it should be played and how the game should be governed with a level playing field in mind are principles I can get behind no trouble at all. He's right in all of this.

    He also shows ridiculous loyalty to his players, treats them like family members. It's hard to criticise a boss who gives a fuck about his employees, because so few do.

    Unfortunately he's an anachronism pitched into one of the deepest cesspits known to mankind - the world of modern football. Whether we like it or not, that's where we are, that's what we are dealing with. It's a shady world of human rights abusers, Mafioso and assorted criminals and individuals of ill repute. Look at FIFA, look at UEFA, look at our own FA. Look at the pack of hacks that surround the game, the agents, Neymar's mother, Anleka's brother. All these people stink. And they are running things. And ruining them. No wonder Wenger is pissed. Yes he loves the game and he finds money crude and vulgar and in this I agree with him too.

    But he wants a job in football management and here's where the problems starts. It's not his place to use Arsenal as a vehicle for his crusade. When all is said and done the fans don't give a shit about anything except winning and they'll see that happen at any cost. We know this because of the ludicrous ticket prices, the obnoxious marketing practices (such as 3 new kits every year), the blind eye that gets turned when and Abramovich or a Usmanov buys up a big chunk of the game. Wenger is a lone voice in the wilderness and nobody really wants to see his vision of the game materialise, or maybe some do but nobody is prepared to do what it takes to make that happen. We're all just rolling on with the foul and corrupted version of the game, it's the next result that's paramount, the most extreme form of short-termism imaginable. And so Wenger is incompatible with the game in its current state. Of course in the ideal world he's dead right not to spend £70mill on Benzema, a journeyman by comparison to the great strikers of the past. But he's also dead wrong because we're about as far as we can get from an ideal world.

    We want to compete for the title even if it means involving ourselves in a sport that allows the likes of Abramovich or those horrendous Arab cocksuckers to hold court. We can ignore that but we can't ignore Wenger's admirable but out of touch beliefs. Because it's the next win that's important no matter how it is achieved. Like politics, the people get what they deserve.

    Wenger has to go and we need a horrible, superficial, immoral, idealistically retarded fuck to replace him. Then we'll win.

    I get frustrated with him because if he were to just compromise a little bit, on just a few things, he could well get the better of the hateful Mourinho types. Then again, I'm asking him to get a little bit pregnant, aren't I? Something I suppose he sees as the one inch that leads to a mile of ruin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I like Wenger as a human being and I agree with mostly everything he says. Not being silly here, his views on football and how it should be played and how the game should be governed with a level playing field in mind are principles I can get behind no trouble at all. He's right in all of this.

    He also shows ridiculous loyalty to his players, treats them like family members. It's hard to criticise a boss who gives a fuck about his employees, because so few do.

    Unfortunately he's an anachronism pitched into one of the deepest cesspits known to mankind - the world of modern football. Whether we like it or not, that's where we are, that's what we are dealing with. It's a shady world of human rights abusers, Mafioso and assorted criminals and individuals of ill repute. Look at FIFA, look at UEFA, look at our own FA. Look at the pack of hacks that surround the game, the agents, Neymar's mother, Anleka's brother. All these people stink. And they are running things. And ruining them. No wonder Wenger is pissed. Yes he loves the game and he finds money crude and vulgar and in this I agree with him too.

    But he wants a job in football management and here's where the problems starts. It's not his place to use Arsenal as a vehicle for his crusade. When all is said and done the fans don't give a shit about anything except winning and they'll see that happen at any cost. We know this because of the ludicrous ticket prices, the obnoxious marketing practices (such as 3 new kits every year), the blind eye that gets turned when and Abramovich or a Usmanov buys up a big chunk of the game. Wenger is a lone voice in the wilderness and nobody really wants to see his vision of the game materialise, or maybe some do but nobody is prepared to do what it takes to make that happen. We're all just rolling on with the foul and corrupted version of the game, it's the next result that's paramount, the most extreme form of short-termism imaginable. And so Wenger is incompatible with the game in its current state. Of course in the ideal world he's dead right not to spend £70mill on Benzema, a journeyman by comparison to the great strikers of the past. But he's also dead wrong because we're about as far as we can get from an ideal world.

    We want to compete for the title even if it means involving ourselves in a sport that allows the likes of Abramovich or those horrendous Arab cocksuckers to hold court. We can ignore that but we can't ignore Wenger's admirable but out of touch beliefs. Because it's the next win that's important no matter how it is achieved. Like politics, the people get what they deserve.

    Wenger has to go and we need a horrible, superficial, immoral, idealistically retarded fuck to replace him. Then we'll win.

    I get frustrated with him because if he were to just compromise a little bit, on just a few things, he could well get the better of the hateful Mourinho types. Then again, I'm asking him to get a little bit pregnant, aren't I? Something I suppose he sees as the one inch that leads to a mile of ruin.
    I don’t even think it’s that. I can understand why Wenger wouldn’t want to pay £70m for a striker like Benzema or Cavani. It’s understandable but I think he can keep his principles and still be successful. The transfer market is a small part of the frustration with Wenger. It’s the last resort for finding a solution and I look forward to it simply because I know we’ll see a change in the team. For me, it’s the same tactics and seeing the same team selection that pisses me off. He’ll never be able to control the transfer market but he should have a better grasp of what he can get out of this team. The strengths and weaknesses. That’s what annoys me the most. Seeing game after game of failure and still blindly walking into pitfalls as if we’ve never walked this way before.

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