Match Reaction Gypos 2-2 Unambitious Skinflints - WENGER OUT!

[Özim]

It's all opinion at the end of the day, like you say they are paying top dollar and if they think they are getting value for money I think they are mad but it's up to them

I find our football boring, I thought the move that led to our second equaliser was excellent but on the whole compare it to Leicester and how they played against Everton. Far more entertaining than anything we produce, they really go for it and play good direct football.

I agree, Leicester are a fine example, they really pressed, they were direct and were always looking for more goals whilst still defending responsibly, to me that was much better to watching, certainly more exciting.

It seems AW still thinks we're great to watch, noone ever who ever interviews him seems to question this ascertion oddly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Israelis vs Hamas? Hardly. What an incredible stupid analogy by whoever that chattering head is. If he thinks fans arguing over a manager (a practise as old as the game) is insane then how does he rate his own take on things? Is there a word?

Rational and reasonable are terms that are rapidly becoming euphemisms for subservience. Nobody seems to know what either word means any more. However, the favoured rational and reasonable response to the Arsenal situation seems to be love it but leave it. If you don't like the cunts who have captured the club then run away and sulk a bit, or just fall out of love with the game and do something else. Fine. If that works for people then it's a choice and their choice to make. But what if you aren't ready to abandon the club yet? What if you still give a fuck about what happens at the club? Is it time to sit down and have a rational and reasonable debate with the people who have watched the manager fuck it up season after season for a decade yet still sing his name? What sort of rational and reasonable debate is that going to be?

"Thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye!"

"You ungrateful, disloyal, plastic, sad, pathetic, publicity seeking non-fan. Wenger should be allowed to leave when he wants. He built the stadium with his own hands. The results are fine considering all the money the dopers have. No, I don't know what Leicester is, please shut up!"

Seems like one side of this "debate" is both Hamas and the Israelis from where I'm watching. Or watered down versions that are really nothing at all like Hamas or the Israelis. Because that's just silly, even sillier than the Wenger crowd.

To be fair I'm only commenting on it through the lens of social media. And the lack of measure from both sides is truly a spectacle to behold.

They both take the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is Hitler" approach to debate.

So take away what I agree is the perfectly reasonable messages on the banners, the level of discourse is what you'd expect if you put Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters in a small indoor gymnasium filled with crash mats and hid a box cutter knife somewhere.

Don't get me wrong I don't think it's a bad things, I'd love nothing more than for these fans to kill each other (as long as they do it away from me) in a broad sense they won't be missed, but they aren't helping and like I say just spreading the perception that our fans are emotional incontinents.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be fair I'm only commenting on it through the lens of social media. And the lack of measure from both sides is truly a spectacle to behold.

They both take the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is Hitler" approach to debate.

So take away what I agree is the perfectly reasonable messages on the banners, the level of discourse is what you'd expect if you put Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters in a small indoor gymnasium filled with crash mats and hid a box cutter knife somewhere.

Don't get me wrong I don't think it's a bad things, I'd love nothing more than for these fans to kill each other (as long as they do it away from me) in a broad sense they won't be missed, but they aren't helping and like I say just spreading the perception that our fans are emotional incontinents.

Wouldn't you much rather kill the ones who say nothing? I mean just generally? Not just the football fans, all of them? The quiet, go along to get along perps who make every single shitstorm possible through their weight of numbers and their blind, unthinking compliance? Wouldn't you rather kill them? What sort of a world would it be if these were the only ones left? We could take that to AMC as a new plot. It'd be bigger than the Walking Dead. It IS bigger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not going to kill anyone, I'm just not going to care that much if people who can't keep a lid on their emotions murder each other.

If people can't make an argument without getting flustered and flailing their limbs then they are better off wearing the end is nigh Tabards on the high street.

I don't buy the idea that you can't get yourself listened to and your point heard without turning into a raving madman and frankly I find as someone who does want managerial change that I'm being represented by these clowns.

So no I don't want to kill the quiet ones because I don't assume people should care about the same things I do.

[selassie]

Some guy coming forward and screaming one Arsene Wenger in that video.

The less said about that the better.

In that Video Ty wearing two pairs of headphones?!! In ear ones and over the head ones.

[GP]

In that Video Ty wearing two pairs of headphones?!! In ear ones and over the head ones.

I'm sure the overcoat and beanie are necessary in 27 degree weather as well.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not going to kill anyone, I'm just not going to care that much if people who can't keep a lid on their emotions murder each other.

If people can't make an argument without getting flustered and flailing their limbs then they are better off wearing the end is nigh Tabards on the high street.

I don't buy the idea that you can't get yourself listened to and your point heard without turning into a raving madman and frankly I find as someone who does want managerial change that I'm being represented by these clowns.

So no I don't want to kill the quiet ones because I don't assume people should care about the same things I do.

You can't get yourself listened to by being quiet either, and that seems to be the demand of the Wenger crowd (or is it a mob yet?). Come to the games, pay top prices, be polite, respectful, no complaining and certainly no complaining that could be heard or witnessed by other people. Would that be a fair assessment of their demands? That seems to be what they are saying. The guys with the banners haven't been flailing around the place, all they have been doing is hoisting up a polite (too polite if you ask me) banner or two. Arsenal are dispatching stewards to away games to stop this happening and the people doing the flailing are the ones who don't want anyone else to have an opinion. There's something very wrong at this club and among a section of the support, and the problem isn't with the guys holding up Wenger out banners.

[I am invisible]

Its all getting ridiculous, from internet warriors and wannabe social media z-listers to now actual fighting within the fans. Honestly I am embarrassed by it all, and just another reason for me to switch off completely next season. In fact I haven't really watched or followed any of our games since the United one, instead choosing to spend my weekends out doing other things. Have I missed it, not one bit.

I want Wenger to leave as much as anyone, but it really isn't worth getting that angry about.

To be honest, it's not even just Arsenal or Wenger - the whole package that comes with football is starting to get a bit much now, and it's feeling more and more like an addiction than an enjoyable pastime? All the über-coverage of everything, and the blogs, and the social media accounts, and the chat rooms and the gossip sites, etc - it's great when things are going well, and helps amplify the high... but as with anything addictive, it also makes the lows a hundred times worse! The average football fan is basically a junkie, and the industry that's grown around the game knows it well and good. It's done a great job over the years of convincing us that we need it, and that we'd be lost without it, but the truth is there's a choice there, and you can walk away at any moment. What would you do without football? Fucking anything! Literally, anything!

It doesn't even have to be a forever thing - just take a break! I'm kind of in the same place with football as I get with drinking at the moment: as much as I love a cold beer and a good night out, if I do it to excess then there always comes a point where I need to walk away and thoroughly detox. If I didn't take that break if and when I needed to then I'd feel like shit all the time, and every sip would become a chore rather than something pleasant. That's me and football at the moment: I love it... but I think I've hit my limit now, and need to detox from it. If everyone who was angry with the club did the same thing, and just took a break for a bit, then I'm sure the club would get the message loud and clear - sales would drop, memberships would be left unrenewed, tickets would be left unsold, the stadium would be empty, and sponsors would get pissed. This level of anger and misery really isn't necessary...

[Özim]

Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be honest, it's not even just Arsenal or Wenger - the whole package that comes with football is starting to get a bit much now, and it's feeling more and more like an addiction than an enjoyable pastime?

That's the place I'm getting to as well. It's more hype than football these days. You get two billionaire clubs filled with multi-million quid players who earn millions year and some of the fuckers can't kick a ball. Sure as hell none of the fuckers can cross one. Managers fist pumping because they secure millions of quid for their club rather than a trophy. Not much there for the fan any more except exorbitant ticket prices. I suppose at Arsenal we get a few bonuses, like abuse and finger pointing from the manager, and Jack Wilshere and Theo Walcott on Twitter.