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    It's obvious why he hasn't been sacked, and there's not much evidence either way for why he does what he does, only he knows what really goes on inside his head and what his motivations are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    The question one has to ask is would the club act to make sure the next manager had significantly less responsibility and authority than Wenger, I'm not convinced they would.
    I think they'd have to. What other manager would accept a job description like Wenger's? And when have you ever heard another manager talk about the finances of the club like Wenger talks about them? I'm pretty confident the only finances Pep, Klopp, Maureen, etc are worried about is the cash arriving in their pockets and the cash arriving in their transfer kitty, and I'm pretty damn sure they are of the opinion the more the merrier. Where could the club find another manager that thought the opposite?

    Of course they could get Wenger to find them somebody

    This is the ultimate fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It's obvious why he hasn't been sacked, and there's not much evidence either way for why he does what he does, only he knows what really goes on inside his head and what his motivations are.
    If it's obvious, in football terms, then it escapes me. What is the obvious reason why he hasn't been sacked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    It's a massive problem, no manager in football has the same freedom and authority in their position as Wenger does. Whatever Wenger's failings, Managers are not infallible and it would be wrong to give someone else the same carte blanche. We know full well the way Wenger reacts to criticism from journalists simply because it's the type of criticism/scrutiny that does not come from above.

    No-one is saying make the manager powerless, but let's not pretend that Wenger's shortcomings haven't been exacerbated by a club that takes a laisse faire approach to the way the club is run in a footballing sense.
    Ok. Do you think if we were to have signed up Klopp or Pepp they'd have a problem with this freedom? Jose even? Do you think they'd struggle and go 12 years without the league title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If it's obvious, in football terms, then it escapes me. What is the obvious reason why he hasn't been sacked?
    He is meeting his bosses expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Ok. Do you think if we were to have signed up Klopp or Pepp they'd have a problem with this freedom? Jose even? Do you think they'd struggle and go 12 years without the league title?
    Do you think there's even a slim chance any of them would be at the same club for 12 years? That's a huge part of the problem, the familiarity of the whole thing. That's how Wenger has slowly consolidated his power. Only Ferguson can really be compared and we can all see plainly enough how the long term record of a manager focused on football stacks up against the record of a manager focused on finances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    He is meeting his bosses expectations.
    So that goes back to the question, why does Wenger accept such low standards? As somebody else has already asked, where is his ambition, his pride? And if he has no ambition and no pride then can he really be doing the best he's capable of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I think they'd have to. What other manager would accept a job description like Wenger's? And when have you ever heard another manager talk about the finances of the club like Wenger talks about them? I'm pretty confident the only finances Pep, Klopp, Maureen, etc are worried about is the cash arriving in their pockets and the cash arriving in their transfer kitty, and I'm pretty damn sure they are of the opinion the more the merrier. Where could the club find another manager that thought the opposite?

    Of course they could get Wenger to find them somebody

    This is the ultimate fear.

    Do you think Pep, Klopp or Jose would struggle with the set up we have here? I actually think Jose is envious of what we have here. It's why he's gone to Utd as well. I think if we bring in a someone with a vision, they'd have the freedom to work how they want. Or at least I hope. That's the sort of conditions Wenger walked into when he arrived and here are. The clubs molded in his image. If he didn't wanted to unburden himself and focus purely on what's going on on the pitch, I don't think he'd be denied that.

    I think Wenger's replacement will walk into a healthy set up so long as they are hungry for success. I'm more so worried about who we appoint and the process. It's a problem if Wenger appoints his successor but can we trust the Board full of non football men to identify the right man? It's a tricky one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    So that goes back to the question, why does Wenger accept such low standards? As somebody else has already asked, where is his ambition, his pride? And if he has no ambition and no pride then can he really be doing the best he's capable of?
    He has no pride, the only thing that goes through his head is pound signs, everything he does is geared towards money. I question whether he genuinely cares about the club as some allude, if he did why is he so intent on doing the bare minimum and not maximising our chances of success, why is he blaming the fans (pretty much the club) and everyone else for the problems he's created?

    I don't think he cares about the club, I think he cares about the money he pockets, his supposed bosses being happy with him and being part of this gentleman's club they seem to have going on and his relationships with his players, not sure that is considered caring for the club, because right now it's fans are unhappy and there's infighting because of his methods, doesn't give a toss about that does he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Do you think there's even a slim chance any of them would be at the same club for 12 years? That's a huge part of the problem, the familiarity of the whole thing. That's how Wenger has slowly consolidated his power. Only Ferguson can really be compared and we can all see plainly enough how the long term record of a manager focused on football stacks up against the record of a manager focused on finances.
    Mourinho wants that long term legacy. I don't think there are many managers out there that wouldn't want something similar. It's just that the demand for success is so high at other clubs.

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