Originally Posted by fakeyank
Capello
Might as well get him in now, tbh
Capello
Might as well get him in now, tbh
You are and have been consumed by an unhealthy level of bitterness. It blinds you to such an extent that when you call people blind and delusional, it is the very definition of a word Alanis Morrisette never quite got to grips with.
Not at all, I suggest you are somewhat misguided making excuses for things you can't excuse, I've long felt he was going wrong and my frustration has grown with his refusal to change anything, in addition his comments in the press have done nothing to make him in any way likeable.
At the end end of the day he's an employee that receives 6 million a year, he's not martyr and is paid handsomely for doing his job, does he love the club, in a way yes unfortunately it's a love that has a negative effect on the club an overpossesive love which destroys rather than doing the best for the club.
I personally won't be sorry to see him go, as I've said before he's destroyed much of the good work he did, the majority of our memories now are of his mentally weak failing teams.
Last edited by Özim; 19-02-2012 at 08:02 PM.
To be honest Wenger doesn't help himself or the club with the way he behaves towards opposition managers a lot of the time. He has in the past picked fights with them, or criticised their teams' style of play (most of the time simply because he himself is tactically so inept that he doesn't have a plan to counter it) Moreover, his excuses in the media are extremely childish, which makes him out to be a very bad loser. Some will say, "show me a good loser and I'll show you loser" and I understand that, but even people like Fergie have shown respect to the opposition when they've been beaten, while at the same time complaining about refereeing decisions etc. Wenger only ever patronisingly praises the opposition when we've beaten them, never when they've given us a tough game. If he wasn't our manager, we would think he's a bit of a twat as well tbh.
Even from a selfish viewpoint, his behaviour makes things more difficult for us because opposition teams are extra motivated against us, because Wenger has criticised them before a game.
What excuses? Been calling for him to leave or his head since 2010.
But my perception of him is a tad more complex than yours. Everything has to be utterly shite or brilliant in regard to Managers with you.
In your world, everything is so simple, but in a simple world, you miss so much. A case in point, your views on Adebayor. Throughout his stay I was pretty much at one with you on what I thought of him overall. But your arguments in defence of your position were embarrassing and not something I felt I could support.
I hated Adebayor and his effect on the team, but I could acknowledge thr positive things he brought, which you never could - even in the face of the most clear evidence you could hope to be presented with.
oh i completely see the logic, i also completely see the logic that you're completely blind which you can't see.
and excellent selective highlighting of my post, completely ignore the 4/5 other points i made and hone in on the 'he doesnt drink with opposition managers' part.
i never said thats the sole reason he's hated, but its not very culturally astute and social for him to completely ignore other managers. adds further fuel to what is already an unstable equilibrium for him. and makes him a bigger twat (if thats possible).
Whats the need to call me a twat ? did i call you names or even suggest you made it up, why be so rude.errr because hes said it himself you twat. hardly gonna make things up am i:
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...-with-managers
Arsène Wenger's reluctance to drink with his fellow managers is not down to shyness, aloofness or a lack of camaraderie – he simply prefers self-reflection after away games.
The Frenchman has spent 14 years in the Premier League but he rarely shares a post-match tipple with his opposite number. Wenger's resistance to that particular English tradition has created a perception that he can be distant and detached from his rivals.
But the Arsenal boss insists that is not the case. Speaking at his pre-match press conference, Wenger explained that socialising after matches can be difficult for a number of reasons.
"I've got nothing against it [the tradition]," he said.
"When you play away from home you are in a hurry to catch the plane and you are playing three days later. Once I do my press [media work] - and my press can last quite a while - I have no time. Most of the time my assistant will go and have a drink.
"I recognise that [can make me seem aloof] but there's no bad feeling in that, I just feel after the game you stay on your own and you don't want to disturb people. I've always had that philosophy, even in France.
"When I arrived here I didn't know anyone. The managers all knew each other and played alongside each other but when you arrive from a foreign country you don't know anyone.
"I'm not shy," Wenger added. "I didn't even know this tradition existed before I came here. And it's not that we have nothing in common - we love football and we both love to win.
"I'm always happy to meet people at the Emirates but away from home we want to get away as quickly as possible. After the game my mind is on the next game but sometimes other managers go quickly as well. When we are at home we always invite them in."
Fair point - we can all disagree - at times aggressively, but can the personal insults.
Thing is, most of use brought to Arsenal were probably introduced to "The Arsenal Way" marble halls etc where things were done with a class - and there have been long list of examples where we've been severely lacking in class and Wenger is at the helm of the bulk of them.
There'll be better examples, but off the top of my head, having a dig at Mick McCarthy for the side he picked to play Man Utd. At that time, in 5 matches, we'd made 41 changes out of the 44 possible - and what it was to do with him or how he knew who Wolves best XI was I've no idea.
He gets involved in these spats he has no need to - if we were a 'siege mentality/back to the wall' type side, there may be some small logic in it, but the last thing this side needs are added spice to matches, the opposition crowd on them from the first minute etc.
Another one, a little innocuous at the time and didn't bother most people but it did me. When we stepped off the coach for the CC final, we looked an absolute rabble. Jogging bottoms & jeans down round peoples arses, T-Shirts, giant headphones. Brum gave the game full respect, all suited for the occasions. It might not have been coincidence that the game evolved in the same way.
he will be Chelsea manager eventually. Paul Lambert however...
Blue Sky would be Pep realistically it will be some foriegn accountant we have never heard of. Moyes would be good and i think he could sort this lot out but i think he is for Manyoo.
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