EU Referendum

[Xhaka Can’t]

This was always going to happen short term due to uncertainty, it will settle down.

Yes, it will settle down. But where it settles is the issue.

[Kano]

referendum usually means that the decision is too big for one party/government and they pass the buck back to the people.

The thing is pushing the big red self destruct button marked article 50 is clearly too big for anyone too. Quite a smart move from Cameron to leave it to Boris there. Now some brexiteers will Claim there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow when we leave. others will claim it's all going to be a socialist utopia with holograms and shit. And most of them will just rejoice at the idea of forcibly deporting Muslamicals.

All off the guff is irrelevant against the huge upheaval that an article 50 exit clearly implies. we have maybe a dozen trade negotiators left since all that was handled by the Eu. We have about 80,000 pages of law to sift through and replace with new uk law and as we've seen a massive problem trying to change any immigration numbers if we want to kee access to the single market (which we clearly need to).
in the meantime the pound and stock market are collapsing. investment decisions are getting put off, hiring plans shelved order books drying up and retirement nest eggs crushed.

Remain said all along this uncertainty and adjustment would cost us dear and wasn't a price worth paying. nobody listened and I suspect most leave voters didn't understand until after the event when they saw it on the news. Well it IS happening and we ARE in the shit now.

on a separate note, my brother was out shopping with his toddler yesterday. Got into an altercation with some old bloke who , outraged at having a toddler in a pr in his way demanded they back up. On not getting what he wanted he mumbled something along the lines of having voted leave and how folks like my brother need to pack their bags. This was on Holloway Road. I haven't experienced any of that since the 80s

I know some folks want to turn this into a treatise on globalisation and workers rights. well whatever the motivation of scribblers like Corby or ambitious men like Boris, they have simply whipped up some very base instincts. I'll never forgive them for taking us backwards like this.

Then again, was it better hidden, so we know where we stand? I say we but then again black British people will probably be the least of those having to face up this hatred because there appears to be more of a fear over our reaction. There is a more of a feeling that Asian (both continents) and those who have traveled to live here can be 'attacked' with less fear of recriminations. What this is highlighting is how attitudes haven't changed much but that people have had to become more tolerant over the past few decades, rather than actually wanting to. It's something most non-colour people have not and cannot understand, that there is still an incredibly long way to go until people of colour can live on an equal footing, be afforded the exact same privileges and opportunities. With immigration blamed as the reason the NHS is fucked, that people cannot afford a house, that they cannot get off their fat fucking arses to scrub out a toilet or stand in a club bog offering hand soap to clubbers who have just taken a piss, then it is legitimising ignorance and lifting the lid on decades of people biting their lips. People I know that are not white are genuinely worried and those concerns do not come out of thin air but also from decades of knowing full acceptance is a long way off.

[LDG]

Hey, I told you that in confidence!

Put your hair net and apron back on and shut up!

[Power n Glory]

I've seen it could actually take more like 10 years to leave the EU, as there's a lot to do.

The market will recover once the initial shock dies down, you can't put a timescale on it but this reaction isn't unexpected, everyone thought remain woud win and right now there's uncertainty about what happens next, markets are very sensitive to these kind of factors.

On a different note Cameron has been very quiet I see, I thought he was prime minister, until October at least, seems to have disappeared with his tail between his legs.

Cameron is addressing the the MPs now. I'm just watching.

The market will recover but because we have an extended period of uncertainty, you have to worry about how quickly things can bounce back. We have the initial shock of leaving and the market reacted but we're not in the clear. More shocks could be on the way which is what I mean be a sustained period of uncertainty. If one bank decides to leave the UK or announces job losses, the market will react again....it's the domino effect. That's the worry.

[Özim]

Cameron is addressing the the MPs now. I'm just watching.

The market will recover but because we have an extended period of uncertainty, you have to worry about how quickly things can bounce back. We have the initial shock of leaving and the market reacted but we're not in the clear. More shocks could be on the way which is what I mean be a sustained period of uncertainty. If one bank decides to leave the UK or announces job losses, the market will react again....it's the domino effect. That's the worry.

Noone said this was going to be easy, just that longer term it would be a good thing, it's unprecendented so that will obviously create more uncertainty, as I've said before the UK is a big economy and wil recover from this as it always has before, the EU is in for some hard times though.

The EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU.

[Özim]

Yes, it will settle down. But where it settles is the issue.

The UK will be fine, it will recover and prosper, not so sure about the EU though, reckon they could be heading for trouble unless things change dramatically, there's a lot of unrest.

[Power n Glory]

Noone said this was going to be easy, just that longer term it would be a good thing, it's unprecendented so that will obviously create more uncertainty, as I've said before the UK is a big economy and wil recover from this as it always has before, the EU is in for some hard times though.

The EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU.

I think a few made out if as it were going to be easy. A 'bump in the road' Gove said. They weren't truthful and didn't elaborate on the consequences and how leaving would effect their pockets. It's only after all said is done we get this from The Sun. Is that not deceptive?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1335...t-your-wallet/

[Özim]

I think a few made out if as it were going to be easy. A 'bump in the road' Gove said. They weren't truthful and didn't elaborate on the consequences and how leaving would effect their pockets. It's only after all said is done we get this from The Sun. Is that not deceptive?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1335...t-your-wallet/

Let's be honest here, the remain camp were just as much if not more deceptive, emergency budgets, EU countries not wanting to deal with you, banks shipping out (admittedly it's early days but so far banks have distanced themselves from this move) etc etc so far we've heard the opposite.

Cameron came back trying to get a deal with the EU with next to nothing which showed, all we've seen is broken promises and lies for years, things needed to change.

[GP]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7105196.html

[Power n Glory]

Let's be honest here, the remain camp were just as much if not more deceptive, emergency budgets, EU countries not wanting to deal with you, banks shipping out (admittedly it's early days but so far banks have distanced themselves from this move) etc etc so far we've heard the opposite.

Cameron came back trying to get a deal with the EU with next to nothing which showed, all we've seen is broken promises and lies for years, things needed to change.

You're right. It's early days. Depending on how the market reacts, we still may see an emergency budget, banks shipping out and EU countries not wanting to deal with us. Right now, people are trying to say the right things to not cause a panic. You know how this works.