Yep. Just last week Ray Parlour was saying a lot of the decision making was down to the players and how Wenger never focused on our opponents. We'd never adapt our games to what they'd do and he'd always say it was up to us to impose our style on the opposition and for then to adjust to us.Originally Posted by Özim
Would be interested to see where anyone has said the result was acceptable. Also, just to clear this up, there is no new manager. Fans don't get to decide that unless they want to bring out the nukes and start seriously agitating for the guy to be kicked out. Hopefully something that cringe-worthy won't happen because we'll be a complete laughing stock as fans in the eyes of so many other clubs out there, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Crewe, yes even the spuds. Boo Hoo - we didn't win the title - Wenger out!
On the other hand, there are a (very) few posters here who have expressed genuine concerns about the manager which are worth listening to. If there's to be a change then the fans can participate in that by being constructive in their criticism as well as the proposals for realistic change. For example, not one of you would have suggested Wenger as manager when Rioch was on his way out. If the fans had been responsible for picking the manager back then or had even had their wishes considered (Terry Venables - remember?) then the Invincibles, Henry, Pires, the doubles, the cups, the amazing football - all gone, would never have happened. So thank fuck nobody listens to fans on these matters.
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Relevant in the respect he's no longer the free playmaker and now has a more defined role. Different team, different players. If Fabregas came on here now I'm sure he could confirm he's not trying to score points for an anti-Wenger agenda. I understood what he was saying, but then again I was just listening to his views rather than trying to pick agenda points from them.
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Or we also could have had Cruyff, who knows how that would have turned out. Wenger was a great management signing, but noone knows how it would have turned out if he hadn't signed, it's possible it could have been a disaster, it's also possible we'd have consistently won trophies and played great football.
Don't get me wrong the decision to bring in Wenger was spot on, but Venables wouldn't have been my choice, I'd have had Cruyff that we were linked with.
In his position you can be a playmaker but you need to have discipline and be tactically aware IMO, CM is an important position where games can be controlled.
He's not the only player to talk about the lack of preparation and tactics to counter the opposition, he's kinda stating what we already know that AW just let's them go out and play and express themselves rather than shackle them with specific roles.
Niall_Quinn, you should be a politician as you seem to put a spin on everything Arsenal/Wenger do badly. Tactics are tactics, doesnt matter if your Lionel Messi or Danny Ings. Let me ask you a aquestion; How many times have you seen our manager at a game socuting? Never ever! That just says it all. The man has no methods, no pattern, no tactics or instructions, he is a posh version of Harry. Just go out their lads and win the game.
He's certainly not the first and it may explain why he never beats Jose, why we lose our heads under intense conditions and why it's a symptom of every Arsenal team. When they go out feeling unprepared for the game, their confidence takes a knock and we look jittery.
I'm not saying our tactics weren't bad yesterday - in fact already said it and gave detail in another thread. I'm pointing out that what Fabregas is saying doesn't match the anti-Wenger spin being trotted out by the usual suspects.
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As harsh as that sounds, we have players on record saying Wenger never barks instructions at players, we won't watch videos on the opposition and play a lot of 5 aside football because it trains the player how to cope under several different circumstances. It will produce technical brilliance but leaves us vulnerable tactically. In the early Premier league years, the players could be confident that they were technically superior to the opposition by a country mile. They'd play with confidence. Plus they knew the manager was well ahead of the rest. But in the CL they flopped constantly because they knew the bar was set higher in that realm.
Now that the Prem is so much better than what it used to be, we're vulnerable again. Wenger will need to adapt his methods but I doubt he will. This is his way.
I'd be happy to give Wenger another season, especially if we win the cup.
We're on for getting more points than last year, we've spent some money, and there's a good chance we'll get some silverware. To me, this is progress.
Yes, we need more player investment (especially upfront), and yes, we have subsided against the big teams. But, we have also regularly knocked off the pub teams with little fuss - something we haven't done so well in the last few seasons. If we had also beaten the big teams, we'd be 5 points clear at the top - which, given where we were last season, I feel is unrealistic.
So, we've made some progress. Not astounding progress, but reasonable progress.
We need to do more, certainly, but Wenger should be given a chance to build on this.
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