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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Playing amazing comes when your between 26-30. Those expecting him to be running the show by now in a way only 1 or 2 players per club, per generation ever do are deluded.
    Fabregas was pretty much running the show when he was with us and he was well younger then 26. No one is expecting Theo to run the show, but we want him to be consistant.

    Yeah he scored a good goal yesterday, but he also seemed to run into people as well. He has loads to work on, not just lets playing upfront and he'll deliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Fabregas was pretty much running the show when he was with us and he was well younger then 26. No one is expecting Theo to run the show, but we want him to be consistant.

    Yeah he scored a good goal yesterday, but he also seemed to run into people as well. He has loads to work on, not just lets playing upfront and he'll deliver.
    See the bit I said about how fans expect Theo to be another one of those 1-2 per generation, per club players who can show consistency at a young age... He's not, get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    See the bit I said about how fans expect Theo to be another one of those 1-2 per generation, per club players who can show consistency at a young age... He's not, get over it.
    Did i say he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    This is a good example of the imaginary standard/lack of context/general delusion. 3 in 1 from out wide? Nani hasn't scored more than 10 a season. Speak to any united fan and they will complain about Ashley Youngs lack of consistency.
    I am superb at placing things in context, don't worry about that. I take into account our system and Walcotts general play. I would expect far less goals from someone like Podolski or if Cazorla was out wide because they're better as creators and can help more with our general build-ups. As can Ashley Young. Lets not pretend Walcott doesn't get many chances playing from where he has been - he gets a couple (at least) every game. Our attackers have the freedom to drift about all over the place (see his goals against Coventry). We don't require our 'wide' players to be rigid in their positioning unlike other teams. This is why I don't understand half this championship manager talk. When theo stops getting a lot of chances and stops getting goals, then I'll listen. Until then, he's pretty much playing to get goals no matter what imaginary position you want to pigeonhole him into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Did i say he was.
    When you expect to consistently see *Good Theo* (ie, scoring goals and turning teams upside down) then that would be effectively asking for a player that wins games on his own, running the show, or as close to running the show as someone from that position/play style can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    I am superb at placing things in context, don't worry about that. I take into account our system and Walcotts general play. I would expect far less goals from someone like Podolski or if Cazorla was out wide because they're better as creators and can help more with our general build-ups. As can Ashley Young. Lets not pretend Walcott doesn't get many chances playing from where he has been - he gets a couple (at least) every game. Our attackers have the freedom to drift about all over the place (see his goals against Coventry). We don't require our 'wide' players to be rigid in their positioning unlike other teams. This is why I don't understand half this championship manager talk. When theo stops getting a lot of chances and stops getting goals, then I'll listen. Until then, he's pretty much playing to get goals no matter what imaginary position you want to pigeonhole him into.
    Were as Nani's just a mug who sticks to the wings in United's rigid attack system....
    Oh ok, give me a better example, of a player in Theo's position doing what Theo should be doing week in or week out? Hazard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    This is why I don't understand half this championship manager talk. When theo stops getting a lot of chances and stops getting goals, then I'll listen. Until then, he's pretty much playing to get goals no matter what imaginary position you want to pigeonhole him into.
    This, as long as he keeps scoring goals don't care where he plays heck out him in goal for all i care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    When you expect to consistently see *Good Theo* (ie, scoring goals and turning teams upside down) then that would be effectively asking for a player that wins games on his own, running the show, or as close to running the show as someone from that position/play style can be.
    Hence why i said he has a lot to work at, not just putting him up top and expecting him to deilver because thats his role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    scoring consistently isn't a problem for him - almost 30 in 2 and a bit seasons from out wide - so as long as he keeps that up, he'll have a right to keep asking for a centre birth.
    nah, needs to be more consistent than that. Arsenal atackers are more previleged than strikers at other teams -- ask Ade,Henry,RVP
    Last edited by gooners; 07-10-2012 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    This, as long as he keeps scoring goals don't care where he plays heck out him in goal for all i care.
    obviously HE gives a shit! -- and that is what matters and that is the point
    Last edited by gooners; 07-10-2012 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Everyone who's saying he should be more consistent.
    The players who are 23, playing week in and week out, without off days are the *Wayne Rooneys* and (hopefully) Whilshires of the world, Theo isn't that, like many of the ready made players who join the club at 25-26 and *show consistancy* they've slogged and flopped for years with good and bad days before having that year where it all clicks before they get snapped up.

    And anyway, how much more consistent do you expect him to be considering the goals and assists he scored last season or has scored this season already? There is always more room for improvement but the standard Walcott is judged on is so divorced of context. (eg To think, people used to rate Aaron Lennon over him...)
    No one has said he should be running the show - whatever that means. I think however he should be more consistent in his performances. That does not mean he needs to score a goal - he should be judged by a range of things, the most important I value amongst them is application, and that has been lacking at times - more times than I would like to see while accepting everyone can have an off day.

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