Plenty of people had written off our chances of winning a trophy under Wenger again, any trophy. So I don't agree.
And we didn't win them because we got the luck of the draw, we had tough games both years - tougher than the teams we went out to the two previous years (Blackburn at home, Sunderland away).
Which is harder to win? The league or FA Cup?Originally Posted by Letters
This isn't rocket science.
No, it isn't rocket science. But that doesn't change what I said.
I saw people. On here. Predict we'd never win a trophy under Wenger again.
I keep hearing that there are issues with the training facilities, the pitches are firm so they look good but with little give. I think Keown made the point that once the training facilities he found that he started getting more back injuries because of it.
Impact injuries are fine as they happen. But repeated strains there must be something going on as other teams don't seem to face this injury façade as regularly. Although to be fair I probably don't pay as much attention to it as I know Aguero and Silva have been out a while, and Aguero does have twangy hamstrings I think anyway.
It cant just be the players are injury prone because it just seems to be all of them and those odds seem very odd. Although just read that Diaby is out for the season haven't not played for Marseilles so maybe it is just the players.
Wenger is simply a walking disaster for us as a club wanting to progress. The past months failure to secure the points we should have done is quite simply down to his disastrous transfer policy & lack of quality in depth - simple as that.
Look back to the posts in the summer when we realised he wasnt buying cover or competition for CB & Coq along with the obvious need for a goalscorer. We all knew what would happen. I keep saying to Letters that I dont get excited when we go 5 games unbeaten & top the league because I know what happens next - deep down we all do & look whats happened next. Outplayed at home by the Spuds & then 1 point out of 6 against West Brom & Norwich. It is so unbelievably obvious that Wenger doesnt have the ability to make the next step up. As a few have said before, we are getting top 4's & recently winning the FA cup despite Wenger not because of him. His lack of transfer policy meant that at some stage on Sun & possibly again this weekend, when Ozil looks up to try & find a breakthrough pass he will have the statue of Giroud & the clueless Campbell as his only outlet - Wenger is costing our decent players the chance to win things - and people on here slag of RVP & Cesc ---- Sanchez & Ozil will be doing exactly the same very soon.
That speaks to how little faith people had in Wenger considering the Birmingham fiasco. Zero to do with which competition is more difficult. And you're talking to me. I said way before we won the FA Cup that we should have at least picked up some domestic cups on our run and you agreed.
To put this into context.
Are the following runs more difficult than the league?
2014 FA Cup Run
3rd Tottenham Hotspur (h) 2–0
4th Coventry City (h) 4–0
5th Liverpool (h) 2–1
6th Everton (h) 4–1
SF Wigan Athletic (n) 1-1 Penalties
F Hull City (n)
2015 FA Cup
3rd Hull City (h) 2–0
4th Brighton & Hove Albion (a) 3–2
5th Middlesbrough (h) 2–0
QF Manchester United (a) 2–1
SF Reading (n) 2–1 (after extra time)
F Aston Villa (n) 4 - 0
Neither of those two FA Cup runs are that hard, in the 1st one we played all the better teams at home, which is an advantage, so we were somewhat lucky with the draw.
Last years run was full of average teams, even Man U weren't all that good even though an away way was decent.
I agree. But people were still wrong. And those people are now just as confidently predicting other things, still because of their lack of faith in Wenger.
You keep arguing against something I'm not saying.
Yes, of course the league is harder. And until we go and win it people's understandable doubts will remain. But they are doubts, not givens. We don't KNOW what will happen. If I KNEW how the season would pan out, and we'd fail, I wouldn't watch. It would be like re-watching, well, say that Birmingham game. Why put yourself through that again?
Part of the selling point of sport is it's unpredictability and while the money has made it more predictable we still don't KNOW what will happen.
That was my point.
When people have time to waste. They spend it arguing with Letters.
Utd only lost 4 times at home all season, including our game. And they were all silly ones, they didn't lose in the league at home to any of the other big boys. It's hardly a vintage Utd side but they finished top 4, they weren't a bad side last year. And it was the exact sort of game we have traditionally messed up.
And so what about the runs? It's pretty rare for the FA Cup winners to play several of the big teams, they tend to knock each other out, slip on a banana skin or become victims of a giant killing. To win it you just have to win on the day and as the rounds go on the pressure builds. On previous occasions we've lost our nerve, last 2 years we didn't. It's better than we've had, we need to push on for the bigger prizes now. For all our wobbles this year we're in the mix which is more than most people were predicting, you included when you kept banging on about our poor start being like last season which it clearly hasn't been.
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