Mesut Özil Thread (official!)

[Power n Glory]

It's not an assumption, it's an observation.

It's an assumption. If you were paying attention, a few posters were underwhelmed with Ozil's performances way before the media started highlighting it.

Also, if the media was that influential, why are we able to reject certain messages but accept others? Shouldn't we be totally passive to what we're being bombarded with?

[Niall_Quinn]

It's an assumption. If you were paying attention, a few posters were underwhelmed with Ozil's performances way before the media started highlighting it.

Also, if the media was that influential, why are we able to reject certain messages but accept others? Shouldn't we be totally passive to what we're being bombarded with?

No we certainly shouldn't be, but most are. It's a simple trick. If you want something to be true you just repeat it via as many outlets and formats as possible. You get a politician or some other senior figurehead to dress up and stare gravely into the camera and the lie becomes official and therefore unquestionable. That's makes it a "roll eyes everybody knows that" anti-fact. Or if you want to suppress information you do the "roll eyes what a loon" or "us and them" routine so people are afraid to believe what's under their nose. The media is in fact a very powerful and very influential force in society. A vigorous cancer that sits at the heart of it. If the media as it is today just suddenly arrived out of the blue people would collapse in a hysterical heap before carting them all off to the funny farm or prison. But because it has been drip, drip, dripped over time like a poison people have come to accept it as a "normal" part of life. Very similar to government and they are closely linked.

[Power n Glory]

No we certainly shouldn't be, but most are. It's a simple trick. If you want something to be true you just repeat it via as many outlets and formats as possible. You get a politician or some other senior figurehead to dress up and stare gravely into the camera and the lie becomes official and therefore unquestionable. That's makes it a "roll eyes everybody knows that" anti-fact. Or if you want to suppress information you do the "roll eyes what a loon" or "us and them" routine so people are afraid to believe what's under their nose. The media is in fact a very powerful and very influential force in society. A vigorous cancer that sits at the heart of it. If the media as it is today just suddenly arrived out of the blue people would collapse in a hysterical heap before carting them all off to the funny farm or prison. But because it has been drip, drip, dripped over time like a poison people have come to accept it as a "normal" part of life. Very similar to government and they are closely linked.

It's more complex than that. We're hit with advertising and branding every day and it's unavoidable. Considering the amount of beer adverts I've seen during the football, shouldn't I be a heavy beer drinker? I'm not a fan of beer and no matter how many ads i see, that's not going to change. People have filters to what they're willing to accept. If we were that passive and unable to decode certain messages, we'd probably see ridiculous shit like men buying bras and Tampax when they don't need it.

As for politics and the media...a lot of people have lost faith in politics and there are splintered groups everywhere. You must have seen it.

Back to football and Arsenal...why is it that most people on here and Arsenal fans in general aren't buying into the top 4 trophy spin we've heard for years from Wenger and the board? Why are there so many varied opinions? It's complex and pretty arrogant to assume we've all been taken in but you're Neo in all this.

[Niall_Quinn]

But I said most, not all. Advertising, I hate it. All of it. But advertisers spend their own time and money so I have no ideological or humanitarian problems with it. Advertising is a completely different thing.

And this - "a lot of people have lost faith in politics". Lost faith? My point exactly. Politics, politicians, democracy, representation. The aim is not to have faith or withdraw as the only alternative, the aim is to instruct and direct "representatives" and "servants" and have them execute. This is a classic example of the twist that reaches all the way through society. You see how propaganda works? Even when you are "rebelling" you are acknowledging the abdication of your own responsibilities and will. Of course it is complex, propaganda is a science that has developed over centuries. It's a vital component that has always empowered the few in dictating to the many. Its real aim is to have the victim impose limitations on himself, in thought as well as action. It is extremely effective in the west. Not so much the east because people there can usually see the bars. It's funny because North Korea is held up as the ultimate example of a propagandised state. In reality it's comedy hour compared to the slick and polished western version but the end result is of course the same.

Don't really understand the bit about Arsenal. I was talking about the shitty reporting and fake crisis generated around Ozil. Do the media spin the top four thing in our favour? I haven't noticed that. I think you are more likely to hear 5 years without a trophy, 6 years without a trophy, 7 years... Anyway, if you are asking why haven't the fans committed to not winning trophies the answer is pretty obvious. Fans want trophies, they want their team to win something on their behalf. Why would they buy into not winning. There's no propaganda involved in this. We moved stadium, funded it at the expense of the squad and now we're supposed to have enough cash to reverse the trend. But we'll see. I don't think anyone at Arsenal has been trying to sell the virtues of not winning, when did that happen? Wenger said 4th was like a trophy, apparently, but surely he was speaking about the achievement of hanging on under financial restrictions and reaping the financial benefits when we most needed revenue? I doubt he meant it in the sense that 4th is somehow superior to third or second or first. Is that what you think he meant?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You can't escape the media as they influence almost everyone around you. For example, you are forced to live in a world (or at least a part of it) that see's America as a progressive and liberal nation rather than a war driven corporation. I tuned them out for a while too but it left me wondering why almost everyone I met was delusional. At first I thought it was a bacteria or a germ that had invaded the planet from outer space and had rendered humanity mentally helpless. Then it dawned it was a lot more serious than that.

throughout, but that bit in bold is especially brilliant.

[Power n Glory]

But I said most, not all. Advertising, I hate it. All of it. But advertisers spend their own time and money so I have no ideological or humanitarian problems with it. Advertising is a completely different thing.

And this - "a lot of people have lost faith in politics". Lost faith? My point exactly. Politics, politicians, democracy, representation. The aim is not to have faith or withdraw as the only alternative, the aim is to instruct and direct "representatives" and "servants" and have them execute. This is a classic example of the twist that reaches all the way through society. You see how propaganda works? Even when you are "rebelling" you are acknowledging the abdication of your own responsibilities and will. Of course it is complex, propaganda is a science that has developed over centuries. It's a vital component that has always empowered the few in dictating to the many. Its real aim is to have the victim impose limitations on himself, in thought as well as action. It is extremely effective in the west. Not so much the east because people there can usually see the bars. It's funny because North Korea is held up as the ultimate example of a propagandised state. In reality it's comedy hour compared to the slick and polished western version but the end result is of course the same.

Don't really understand the bit about Arsenal. I was talking about the shitty reporting and fake crisis generated around Ozil. Do the media spin the top four thing in our favour? I haven't noticed that. I think you are more likely to hear 5 years without a trophy, 6 years without a trophy, 7 years... Anyway, if you are asking why haven't the fans committed to not winning trophies the answer is pretty obvious. Fans want trophies, they want their team to win something on their behalf. Why would they buy into not winning. There's no propaganda involved in this. We moved stadium, funded it at the expense of the squad and now we're supposed to have enough cash to reverse the trend. But we'll see. I don't think anyone at Arsenal has been trying to sell the virtues of not winning, when did that happen? Wenger said 4th was like a trophy, apparently, but surely he was speaking about the achievement of hanging on under financial restrictions and reaping the financial benefits when we most needed revenue? I doubt he meant it in the sense that 4th is somehow superior to third or second or first. Is that what you think he meant?

I think there is a seperate debate to be had regarding politics, capitalism and media. I won't go into much detail on that. It goes deeper than following media trends and the ruling class have always imposed their will way before media propaganda.

As for Arsenal, the fans are hit with PR and spin from both sides of the fence. But as an Arsenal follower that historically trusts the opinion of our players, coach and staff over terrible MOTD pundits and tabloid trash, how is it possible for my opinion to suddenly be influenced by sources I've always considered untrustworthy?

It's why I disagree wholeheartedly with Wenger's statement about our fans being brainwashed by the media. It's patronising. I follow Arsenal news sources on a everyday basis and form my opinion from there on. Shouldn't we all be just as subseptible to Arsenal's propaganda machine and 'brainwashing'? Yes, I mean the constant messages from Wenger about patience, 4th being like a trophy, not needing to spend crazy money to play great football, youth development....etc. Our club uses the same tools to communicate with its fans and there was a time we accepted that message during the transistion but now it's met with resistance. It has nothing to do with other media sources, it's just down to what we've seen over the years.

With Ozil, it didn't take this media frenzy to see he was under performing. I said ages ago the media would jump all over him if he doesn't pick up the slack and that's why I posted up the German fans story in the first place. Some posters had a problem with the criticism and I always said this is minor in comparison what we've seen in the past. Hence....

[Power n Glory]

They'll report on the good stuff too. It's all down to Mesut.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...p-match-report

Wenger admitted afterwards that Özil needed time to recover from the crushing disappointment of missing a highly tense, high-profile penalty against Bayern Munich in the first leg of Arsenal's Champions League bout. "I think it affected him mentally too much," Wenger said. "It was not only physical, it was mental. He had the feeling he let the team down at a very important moment of the game. That affected his performance very much. Psychologically sometimes the wound is like a physical one. You can talk and talk and talk but it takes time. You just have to leave it to time. I think he is over it. He has a good opportunity to show on Tuesday night how good he is."

Wenger has challenged him to score more goals. In steering Santi Cazorla's pass into the far corner of Joel Robles' net Özil showed the kind of instincts his manager hopes to make more prominent. "I would like him to find the right balance between being a provider and finisher," Wenger said. "At the moment the balance is a bit detrimental to the finishing. His strong side is providing. But he is pacy – much quicker than people think – and with that technical quality and that pace, if he gets into the right areas and with the service we have, he can score goals. He wants to score more goals, I am convinced of that."

Wenger will challenge him to bag more goals. He's on the money regarding his pace and technical skill. Has the potential to be a show stealer and that's what Wenger is looking to get out of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

And yet, as the top headline in the Daily Zyklon B:

Premier League Power Rankings: Find out who is the best player in England right now in our top 10... and, no, you're not in Mesut!

This after the guy puts in a MOTM performance. Now don't tell me there isn't an agenda. Yaya Toure will be "in it" and he's been abject shit on his last few outings. However - he scored that boot swinging fluke and while the reality doesn't amuse these journo cunts, shit like that does. Ozil's goal was 100x better than Toure's because Ozil meant it and could actually repeat it. Journos always want the fantasy though.

And oh look - Gerrard is top. Really then, they just report the facts. There is no agenda.

[selassie]

They'll report on the good stuff too. It's all down to Mesut.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...p-match-report

Wenger has challenged him to score more goals. In steering Santi Cazorla's pass into the far corner of Joel Robles' net Özil showed the kind of instincts his manager hopes to make more prominent. "I would like him to find the right balance between being a provider and finisher," Wenger said. "At the moment the balance is a bit detrimental to the finishing. His strong side is providing. But he is pacy – much quicker than people think – and with that technical quality and that pace, if he gets into the right areas and with the service we have, he can score goals. He wants to score more goals, I am convinced of that."

Wenger will challenge him to bag more goals. He's on the money regarding his pace and technical skill. Has the potential to be a show stealer and that's what Wenger is looking to get out of him.

Yep, I definitely think Arsene wants and believes Ozil can develop into Fabregas MKII, i.e. comfortable double figures for both assists and goals. Fabregas stats towards the end of his career with us were ridiculous, he was on like 20+ goals a season and 20+ assists.

IMHO Ozil has more upside in his game than Fabregas did to perfect the role Arsene has given him and is challenging him with. Ozil definitely has the potential to succeed in this role by both delivering high numbers for goals and assists.

[Power n Glory]

And yet, as the top headline in the Daily Zyklon B:

Premier League Power Rankings: Find out who is the best player in England right now in our top 10... and, no, you're not in Mesut!

This after the guy puts in a MOTM performance. Now don't tell me there isn't an agenda. Yaya Toure will be "in it" and he's been abject shit on his last few outings. However - he scored that boot swinging fluke and while the reality doesn't amuse these journo cunts, shit like that does. Ozil's goal was 100x better than Toure's because Ozil meant it and could actually repeat it. Journos always want the fantasy though.

And oh look - Gerrard is top. Really then, they just report the facts. There is no agenda.

You're looking for the negatives. That's one rag out of many. Arteta made that list but you failed to mention that. So is the agenda anti Ozil or Arsenal? Who gives a shit!