Champions League Draw Dec 20th

[Grebbo]

I'd rather be playing Real Madrid than Bayern. Madrid will always give you chances.

We are out.

[Özim]

I'm not exactly doing cartwheels about it either but we are where we are.
Wenger's never been a great tactician or motivator but he did have great players back in the day and he had 2 great captains in Adams and Vieira. Now he has neither.

Oh, and Chelsea had massive slices of luck last year. They had Drogba who could always get them a goal and they defended well at times when their back were against the wall, but they did get bloody lucky too.

I agree, but there's been something missing with Wenger teams for a long time, it's almost like they're incapable of upsetting the odds, the belief and desire just doesn't seem to be there and that's why we never get through IMO, it's not always about being the best team as Chelsea demonstrated last season.

I also agree Chelsea had a lot of luck last season, but they also had those players in the team capable of taking advantage of those slices of luck, when you look at our team who do we have to deliver on the big occasion?

[Özim]

You always have a chance Bayern are not the best team, and they did lose in the 3-1 to Bate. End of the day as long as thr players feel they do thats what is important.

Who knows Bayern may get bad Injuries by the time in comes around. CL is full of suprises anything can happen. Not sure why write them off but i bet you'll be watching.

I just can't see us beating them, I reckon they'll be too organised for us and we don't cope well with organised defences, they also a few matchwinners who can take a tie away from you in the space of a few minutes.

I'll watch of course but I'm not expecting anything, I'd enjoy it much more if it wasn't so predictable.

[Özim]

Yeah i remember jumping for Joy when Graham won the Cl, good times.

It was the CWC but yes, for me those teams were maybe technically inferior but you went into these games thinking...you know what we could really do this and this made the games all the more enjoyable.

That's definitely missing from the recent Wenger teams, I can never picture a scenario where we perform for two legs without screwing something up.

[Letters]

I agree, but there's been something missing with Wenger teams for a long time, it's almost like they're incapable of upsetting the odds

Rubbish!

We were odds on favourites vs Bradford and we managed to cause an upset there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It was the CWC but yes, for me those teams were maybe technically inferior but you went into these games thinking...you know what we could really do this and this made the games all the more enjoyable.

That's definitely missing from the recent Wenger teams, I can never picture a scenario where we perform for two legs without screwing something up.

Missed the point completely. 10 points for anyone who can guess.

[Özim]

Missed the point completely. 10 points for anyone who can guess.

Oh right sarcasm, nice one.

I'd rather watch the Graham team in Europe any day of the week to be honest, Wenger's teams since 2006 have been sh*t and beaten as expected everytime when they met one of the big boys, that's why the CL is so boring, the inevitability of it all.

We have two hopes of getting through, bob hope and no hope.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Oh right sarcasm, nice one.

I'd rather watch the Graham team in Europe any day of the week to be honest, Wenger's teams since 2006 have been sh*t and beaten as expected everytime when they met one of the big boys, that's why the CL is so boring, the inevitability of it all.

We have two hopes of getting through, bob hope and no hope.

Yes because Wengers team pre 2006 did well in the Cl. Grahams teams was good but not as good as the Invincibles.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Rubbish!

We were odds on favourites vs Bradford and we managed to cause an upset there.

Pretty much, Isn't cup football about the element of suprise and what could happen. Fa cup/CC/Cl just about anything can happen.

[Özim]

Pretty much, Isn't cup football about the element of suprise and what could happen. Fa cup/CC/Cl just about anything can happen.

Yes but only organised teams with leadership and belief upset bigger teams, from what I've seen we just don't have that within the team...noone really believes we can beat them and they certainly don't play like they believe they can. Wenger teams post 2006 have basically been very predictable in a sense that you know what they can and can't achieve and they never deviate from this, that's why the same cycle repeats itself over and over again and that in itself is what takes a lot of the enjoyment out of watching the team.

In addition over two legs it's less of a lottery.