A fallacy quashed?

[Cripps_orig]

Okay, who and when was the last top level player that Man U bought?
Smalling
Lindegaard
Bebe
Hernandez
Obertan
Diouf

Valencia
Owen

No idea nor do i really care cos i dont support them.

Point is though, they have splashed out big for players ie Rooney, Rio, Berbatov etc and then filled in the gaps around them with the other not as good players but all have a tremendous work rate.

The spine of their team cost big money. The rest, not so much.

Thats what i want for Arsenal. Have a quality spine (GK, CB, CM and CF) and then fill in the 7 other places with as many french/african nobodies as he wants. Decent ones obviously.

The fact we already have a world class Cesc and RVP means half the job is done already. Make sure Cescs head is at Arsenal and not Barca and hopefully RVPs injuries are behind him.

All Wenger needs to do now is to spend big on a qualty CB and get a keeper. A world class one. If Bendtner goes then another striker is needed.

[budesonide]

Let's be realistic: If Wenger were disentangled from the financial analysis of the cost/benefit of a particular player, he would become no better than us fans, who put forward the names of players we would love to see playing for Arsenal but who have absolutely no idea of the total cost (transfer fee, wages, legals fees, etc.) of said players, and how they will fit into the overall financial strategic plan of the club.

Nonsense!

Wenger said if he was given 100million to spend he will give it back.

[selassie]

Let's be realistic: If Wenger were disentangled from the financial analysis of the cost/benefit of a particular player, he would become no better than us fans, who put forward the names of players we would love to see playing for Arsenal but who have absolutely no idea of the total cost (transfer fee, wages, legals fees, etc.) of said players, and how they will fit into the overall financial strategic plan of the club.

Sure he shouldn't be in the dark in regards to the players, but he also shouldn't take 100% control of the situation IMHO.

AW has a unique job, he wouldn't have as much control in so many matters anywhere else.

[budesonide]

No idea nor do i really care cos i dont support them.

Point is though, they have splashed out big for players ie Rooney, Rio, Berbatov etc and then filled in the gaps around them with the other not as good players but all have a tremendous work rate.

The spine of their team cost big money. The rest, not so much.

Thats what i want for Arsenal. Have a quality spine (GK, CB, CM and CF) and then fill in the 7 other places with as many french/african nobodies as he wants. Decent ones obviously.

The fact we already have a world class Cesc and RVP means half the job is done already. Make sure Cescs head is at Arsenal and not Barca and hopefully RVPs injuries are behind him.

All Wenger needs to do now is to spend big on a qualty CB and get a keeper. A world class one. If Bendtner goes then another striker is needed.

Cripps on fire!

[Toronto Gooner]

Well yeah. By definition paying over the top for anything is a waste.

Not a total waste, but the more over the top, the more the waste.

I can't speak for TG but I'd be surprised in the sense of: "HOLY FUCK THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, DUDE!"

And surprised that he'd be willing to go anywhere else.

Actually, Fist you took the words right out of my fingers.... There is over-the-top and there is ridiculously insane.

The first question would have to be is Messi worth 250 million? Is that the transfer fee or the whole package? If the former (which I suspect), then how much more will he cost due to the wages?

The next question is will Arsenal be able to recoup the money expended through the incremental increase in revenue that Messi will bring? Given that (currently) the club:
(1) sells out the stadium, there will be no increase in seat sales; and
(2) already plays in CL, there will be no substantial increase in revenue there, unless he wins the CL for the club every year of his contract.

So the only ways of increasing revenue would be by increased shirt sales and non-competitive games and tours. I do not think that the money from these two endeavours would generate enough revenue to get close to breaking even.
(3) the

[AKBapologist]

Let's be realistic: If Wenger were disentangled from the financial analysis of the cost/benefit of a particular player, he would become no better than us fans, who put forward the names of players we would love to see playing for Arsenal but who have absolutely no idea of the total cost (transfer fee, wages, legals fees, etc.) of said players, and how they will fit into the overall financial strategic plan of the club.

Yep, Gladis said as much.
Where as in the super rich clubs, manager picks the best players that could improve the squad independent of market value. Massive advantage.

[budesonide]

Actually, Fist you took the words right out of my fingers.... There is over-the-top and there is ridiculously insane.

The first question would have to be is Messi worth 250 million? Is that the transfer fee or the whole package? If the former (which I suspect), then how much more will he cost due to the wages?

The next question is will Arsenal be able to recoup the money expended through the incremental increase in revenue that Messi will bring? Given that (currently) the club:
(1) sells out the stadium, there will be no increase in seat sales; and
(2) already plays in CL, there will be no substantial increase in revenue there, unless he wins the CL for the club every year of his contract.

So the only ways of increasing revenue would be by increased shirt sales and non-competitive games and tours. I do not think that the money from these two endeavours would generate enough revenue to get close to breaking even.
(3) the

No one suggested arsenal should splash that kind on money on messi!

we are not in the position to. But we can do far better than the dross we have been signing. As cripps said, if spending 30million on a quality striker or defender makes us go under, then fuc*K, we can't call oursleves a top football club or charge the ticket prices we do.

[Toronto Gooner]

Nonsense!

Wenger said if he was given 100million to spend he will give it back.

Wonderful non sequitur: I was responding to comments about taking Wenger out of the financial analysis of players. and you respond with a quote from Wenger based on his continued involvement in that financial analysis.

[AKBapologist]

As cripps said, if spending 30million on a quality striker or defender makes us go under, then fuc*K, we can't call oursleves a top football club or charge the ticket prices we do.

:Slowclap:

Your finally starting to get it.

[Toronto Gooner]

No one suggested arsenal should splash that kind on money on messi!

we are not in the position to. But we can do far better than the dross we have been signing. As cripps said, if spending 30million on a quality striker or defender makes us go under, then fuc*K, we can't call oursleves a top football club or charge the ticket prices we do.

This was your "question": Would you be surprised if messi went for 250million?

I merely took that as if it were Arsenal who paid that sort of money.