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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm View Post
    This has to be his last season. It just has to be. Regardless of the outcome of the title.
    It won't be, as far as the board are concerned he's doing a great job.

    Wenger will choose his successor when he's ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    That has always been the key question.
    Some of the suggestions on here have been laughable.


    But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


    I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table


    Volvo’s attempt at taking on the German brands has genuine merit, and despite its age the S80 still offers good interior quality and decent equipment. At £30,720 it is competitively priced, too.


    What lets the Swedish saloon down, however, is its ride, which feels unsettled on most road surfaces and never provides the kind of comfort you’d expect from a car in this class.

    Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag - or at least aspire to this - we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


    Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


    Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


    So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.
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    He'll sign a new deal and stay on forever and ever. All the promising managers will take over our rivals and we'll be left with a blinkered WUMger finding solace in St Totteringhams Day, 4th place cup, calendar year trophies and qualifying from the CL group stage for the 87th year in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm View Post
    This has to be his last season. It just has to be. Regardless of the outcome of the title.
    We're on the same page for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


    I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table





    Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag, we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


    Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


    Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


    So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.

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    I don't really buy that either Wenger or the players have a mentality that says that once top 4 is secured they all collectively stop bothering. Or if we get off to a bad start and top 4 is looking in doubt they suddenly start trying.
    It's not about not trying, it's about Wenger being given a longer leash when top four is safe and he's allowed to stick to his rigid ideas which aren't working. But when 4th is in doubt you find he is more likely to spend in January, and the team goes on long runs of good form to the end of the season or to when top four is not in doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    But the problem with constantly taking this approach - logical as it may be - is that the alternative is maintaining a status quo that encapsulates under-achievement; complacency and lack of ambition. Your implication that the 'top 4' consistency under Wenger might be preferable to the risk of regime change is an invitation to stay with the safe option. And this is precisely the approach taken by our owner and our board - who are more interested in playing the percentages to keep our club viable as a business than achieving success.


    I was thinking about what kind of car Wenger's Arsenal would be, and found this in a What Car comparison table





    Is that not Arsenal in a nutshell? While other clubs would accept nothing less than a Merc; a BMW or a Jag, we are the footballing equivalent of an ageing Volvo.


    Gooners have in the main had enough. Outside the accountants, what real merit does it have finishing top 4 year after year - to enter a competition that we never properly progress in? being given scraps of hope every season, only for Wenger's teams to sink to their usual disappointing level in the end. To see mistakes being re-made and re-made in the areas that we are all bored to death of seeing?


    Wenger's true 'genius' is convincing moderate fans like yourself that there is hope that things will change, when the reality staring all of us in the face season after season after season is that it won't and he won't. Its sad, but nothing we have seen this season now we have reached January indicates that Wenger's time as a league winner is over. Sure, we can wait - but such are the basic flaws in our team and our manager's approach that hoping we will turn our season around sufficiently to end up league winners can't be seen as anything other than naively optimistic.


    So that is why so many Arsenal fans have simply had enough - and would prefer the risk, and possible loss of our perennial fourth place under a new regime to this recurring torment under Wenger. Because at least there would be something different to see, and the possibility of the football fan's lifeblood - daring to dream.
    I find it hard to believe he’s making the same mistakes but he really is. Same sound bites, same promises, same excuses…totally different teams but they’ve all started to fumble at the tail end of the season. It’s unbelievable and I really want to see someone take him to task on this. Really press him about the same decisions and mistakes along with the stupid excuses he gives year after year.

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    Let's be honest, he's going to be here for years isn't he....the board love him, the amount of money he makes them will have that affect.

    Sadly it's not going to change, this club has shown many times before that what the fans think doesn't really matter, what matters is the bank balance.

    Every wins except those that pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I find it hard to believe he’s making the same mistakes but he really is. Same sound bites, same promises, same excuses…totally different teams but they’ve all started to fumble at the tail end of the season. It’s unbelievable and I really want to see someone take him to task on this. Really press him about the same decisions and mistakes along with the stupid excuses he gives year after year.
    And that there is the tragedy of what our club has become. because he won't. Noone at the club is able to, or interested in taking Wenger to task, and given what we have seen from Gazidis' other sports ventures, I am really not convinced that even a year failing to qualify for the CL will see the end of our manager. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the cash reserves that we have are earmarked as a safety fund to ensure the minimum of commercial disruption in these circumstances - and Wenger's track record in achieving what the shareholders want financially will see him survive even a non top 4 finish.

    This Groundhog Day will end only when Wenger chooses it to end. The incongruity of this situation and a the fact that the aim of professional sports is to win things is absurd.

    As I'm about to point out on another thread, Wenger is not just omnipotent at our club, but I honestly believe he is delusional. I think that he genuinely believes in his own soundbites, promises and excuses. This is what happens so often to people in positions of total power - their judgment suffers and this leads to their downfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    And that there is the tragedy of what our club has become. because he won't. Noone at the club is able to, or interested in taking Wenger to task, and given what we have seen from Gazidis' other sports ventures, I am really not convinced that even a year failing to qualify for the CL will see the end of our manager. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the cash reserves that we have are earmarked as a safety fund to ensure the minimum of commercial disruption in these circumstances - and Wenger's track record in achieving what the shareholders want financially will see him survive even a non top 4 finish.

    This Groundhog Day will end only when Wenger chooses it to end. The incongruity of this situation and a the fact that the aim of professional sports is to win things is absurd.

    As I'm about to point out on another thread, Wenger is not just omnipotent at our club, but I honestly believe he is delusional. I think that he genuinely believes in his own soundbites, promises and excuses. This is what happens so often to people in positions of total power - their judgment suffers and this leads to their downfall.
    He'll fall on his own sword and nothing will change until the fans turn on him and he'll then turn on the fans and create a hostile environment. That's how I see his reign ending if he doesn't retire soon. It's going to be an ugly divisive end. For the sake of the club he should just walk. It's bad enough having Arsenal Fan TV going out everywhere and seeing that sideshow, Ty and Claude going at it each week.

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