I'm trying to workout why you have such a soft spot for Wilshere.Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm trying to workout why you have such a soft spot for Wilshere.
No, you see not wanting to jump all over him with criticism is not the same thing as having a soft spot for him. My point is, we slaughtered Ramsey but the kid fought through it and came back from long term injury. So some of us would like to see Wilshere do the same. I'd be amazed if he doesn't know himself he's not playing great right now, I'd be equally amazed if he isn't trying everything he can to get back to full fitness and top form. So we can decide to slaughter him or be patient, again taking into account the lesson from Ramsey. A couple of seasons back we all asked, why does Wenger keep playing Ramsey? Now we know. I'm even hoping Diaby can get a few games this season and provide some value to the team. Why not? Better if that happens than if it doesn't. The team has done much more than we expected so far this season so for me it buys then the benefit of the doubt, for the time being anyway.
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It's not just his performances though, it's his unprofessional behaviour, he's getting caught up in too many of these situations (we've seen the pictures and they tell a thousand words so we don't need the press to make our minds up).
He's not playing well, he's being unprofessional, I think he'd be best sent out on loan, we have more than enough in midfield and we have better players who should be playing.
He needs top grow up and become more consistent, we've sent others on loan and I think he's a candidate to be sent out on loan as for the above reasons, it might also bring him back to earth cos right now I think he thinks he's a bit of a big shot.
So you don't recall him being roundly criticised for anything this season other than by yourself? Really mate? As far as injury records and Arsenal players go he has hardly been the pick of the bunch with Diaby, Rosicky, RvP and Gibbs around. He has had to get over a major injury and then had another huge setback. He is only 21 remember, and lots of players at that age have a series of niggly injuries that take a while to get over.
In terms of his injury record it is still more comparable to Ramsey's history than that of an actual injury prone player who has shown not even an iota of potential which is the position you often seem to have.
Reyes ripped Real apart before he was an Arsenal player so that is a rather silly comparison but I think it is a pedantic task naming all his good games for us. I sense you won't change your mind no matter what anyone says.
I don't think he should be in the team without deserving to be.
Blink, obviously Wheelchair is little bit word play based on his name coupled with his injury record. It isn't anything close to a criticism.
No not really, a few people make a few comments about him, but certainly not roundly criticised. He's put in some awful performances and other than the odd post here and there has passed under the radar, had it been someone else they'd have been crucified.
As I said, wheelchair is just a lighthearted name it's not criticism.
My about Reyes was that that performance was suppose to highlight just what he could do, just like the Barca one does for Wilshere, one performance like that proves little and yet I've seen people refer to it as evidence of Wilshere's talent and proof he'll be great.
It is unrealistic to expect every poster to judge every player precisely and fairly. As someone has already mentioned, everybody has their preferences and players who rub them up the wrong way for one reason or another. Just because he doesn't get as much stick as you think he should, doesn't mean he is getting 'a free pass'.
When he has played badly, I repeat he has been roundly criticised and it has been more than acknowledged. Maybe you want him publicly flogged, but you would probably still be of the view he is getting away with it.
Like I said, he has had plenty of good games for Arsenal including this season. The Barca one is just the finest example of what he can do but it is far from the only one. It is not a game anyone has forgotten so it is convenient as an example for people. A game against a mid table team 2 years ago is a not harder to recall and cite to someone in a debate.
Yes I get that his nickname is a joke but it is hardly in the vein of him being able to do no wrong in peoples eyes.
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Oh sorry, I must have misread the part where you said you were wrong to criticise Walcott. Must be somewhere underneath the little digs about him 'owning us' and trying to 'worm' his way out of the club.Does this logic apply to Bendy, Diaby and everyone else?
There isn't anything wrong with criticising a players performance if he has it coming because we'll just able quickly praise them when they get it right. Well, some of us!
I think some people have short memories. Before Wilshere got injured he was shit hot. It wasn't just his performance against Barca - that whole season he was our best midfielder, better than Cesc, and arguably the best midfielder in the Prem. He then had a career threatening injury and then had set back after set back. He's only just starting to get any kind of rhythm going.
He won us the game against Marseille the other day or has that been forgotten? "Oh but it was only Marseille" I hear you say. I seem to remember him having a good game against Southampton the other week too. He's not even 22 yrs old yet and has missed a shit load of football. We have the example of Ramsey taking time to come back after a long spell out so I'm not sure why Wilshere's not getting cut any slack. When you miss as much football as he has at his age then you've missed out on a lot of learning of the game. But one thing is absolute fact: Wilshere has great quality.
He wasn't even that terrible yesterday really. He was up against an amazing midfield! He still would have had two assists if not for a dodgy ref and Giroud.
Not sure what him being a chav has anything to do with either. So what? Most football players are chavs. Ozil is a proper little chav.
I never doubt Jack is an excellent CM but not as wide player or no 10. The problem is now that Ramsey is out of this world, where would you play him?
I also notice despite his grit on the pitch Jack doesn't have the discipline to defend, he often wondering on the pitch leaving us exposed.
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