Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, he's not even in the top 30 when it comes to longevity at one club and as Gary pointed out there are a lot of managers who have been around much longer but at different clubs.
And the person whose record he beat took over 40 years to get to 6.
And given how incompetent you think him to be, I'm surprised you're not surprised at his achievement. And is it easier to win? Surely the league cup is even easier as that has a significantly lower prestige and he's never won that.
The mental contortions you go through to avoid giving Wenger credit for anything really are ridiculous Zim.

Hands up ANYONE here who is not giving Wenger credit for winning 7 FA Cups? Speak out now.

This isn't the point. The point is, in context this FA Cup win means very little. Whether the trophy has been devalued or not, and I must admit it didn't feel devalued when we were banging the gaols in against the chavs, or whether Wenger is the best or the worst or somewhere in between, the attention being paid to this cup win is unwarranted. In proper context.

What's happening here is pro-Wenger voices are trying to paint the switch to a back 3 (which is really a back 5) and an FA Cup win, with a record on the back of it, as some sign of success, progress, change. Well maybe. But the evidence of a decade shouts NO. There's no evidence of anything significant. There are no grounds to suggest we've just had a successful season. There's not a single thing any fan can point to to suggest we'll be challenging for more significant honours next season. Nothing whatsoever. If I'm wrong, speak up.

So fine, we have Wenger's achievement. He's due the credit for that, but NOT in relation to the overall circumstances in which the club finds itself. Isolated, he's the record holder for managerial cup wins. But integrate that into the overall season and his track record of the past 10 years and this cup win means almost nothing. Far more important was his decision to run off to Kroenke and secure his new contract, beyond the authority of the board. Now that really tells us what we need to know about Wenger. That's something that really does have a significance on where we are heading as a club.

Wenger rightly deserves his credit for the cup win, but he also deserves to get slaughtered for his overall record. It's appalling. His decision to remain despite that record is also appalling. An astonishing act of selfishness at the expense of the club. He's done the one thing he claimed he would never do, hurt Arsenal. Balancing up, he deserves credit for his cup win and he deserves a mountain of criticism for everything else. And there's no way he should be the manager of this football club.

What the Wengerites are trying to do here is suggest otherwise. They are firing pop guns against the elephant that is Wenger's real record. The record that, sure, includes 7 cup wins but also an abysmal catalogue of failure. It beggars belief that some people are still prepared to defend this man, but there you go. Each to their own.

[selassie]

Hands up ANYONE here who is not giving Wenger credit for winning 7 FA Cups? Speak out now.

This isn't the point. The point is, in context this FA Cup win means very little. Whether the trophy has been devalued or not, and I must admit it didn't feel devalued when we were banging the gaols in against the chavs, or whether Wenger is the best or the worst or somewhere in between, the attention being paid to this cup win is unwarranted. In proper context.

What's happening here is pro-Wenger voices are trying to paint the switch to a back 3 (which is really a back 5) and an FA Cup win, with a record on the back of it, as some sign of success, progress, change. Well maybe. But the evidence of a decade shouts NO. There's no evidence of anything significant. There are no grounds to suggest we've just had a successful season. There's not a single thing any fan can point to to suggest we'll be challenging for more significant honours next season. Nothing whatsoever. If I'm wrong, speak up.

So fine, we have Wenger's achievement. He's due the credit for that, but NOT in relation to the overall circumstances in which the club finds itself. Isolated, he's the record holder for managerial cup wins. But integrate that into the overall season and his track record of the past 10 years and this cup win means almost nothing. Far more important was his decision to run off to Kroenke and secure his new contract, beyond the authority of the board. Now that really tells us what we need to know about Wenger. That's something that really does have a significance on where we are heading as a club.

Wenger rightly deserves his credit for the cup win, but he also deserves to get slaughtered for his overall record. It's appalling. His decision to remain despite that record is also appalling. An astonishing act of selfishness at the expense of the club. He's done the one thing he claimed he would never do, hurt Arsenal. Balancing up, he deserves credit for his cup win and he deserves a mountain of criticism for everything else. And there's no way he should be the manager of this football club.

What the Wengerites are trying to do here is suggest otherwise. They are firing pop guns against the elephant that is Wenger's real record. The record that, sure, includes 7 cup wins but also an abysmal catalogue of failure. It beggars belief that some people are still prepared to defend this man, but there you go. Each to their own.

[Letters]

What's happening here is pro-Wenger voices are trying to paint the switch to a back 3 (which is really a back 5) and an FA Cup win, with a record on the back of it, as some sign of success, progress, change.

Hands up ANYONE here who is doing that. I agree with a lot of the rest of your post but I haven't seen anyone on here doing that. I certainly haven't.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hands up ANYONE here who is not giving Wenger credit for winning 7 FA Cups? Speak out now.

This isn't the point. The point is, in context this FA Cup win means very little. Whether the trophy has been devalued or not, and I must admit it didn't feel devalued when we were banging the gaols in against the chavs, or whether Wenger is the best or the worst or somewhere in between, the attention being paid to this cup win is unwarranted. In proper context.

What's happening here is pro-Wenger voices are trying to paint the switch to a back 3 (which is really a back 5) and an FA Cup win, with a record on the back of it, as some sign of success, progress, change. Well maybe. But the evidence of a decade shouts NO. There's no evidence of anything significant. There are no grounds to suggest we've just had a successful season. There's not a single thing any fan can point to to suggest we'll be challenging for more significant honours next season. Nothing whatsoever. If I'm wrong, speak up.

So fine, we have Wenger's achievement. He's due the credit for that, but NOT in relation to the overall circumstances in which the club finds itself. Isolated, he's the record holder for managerial cup wins. But integrate that into the overall season and his track record of the past 10 years and this cup win means almost nothing. Far more important was his decision to run off to Kroenke and secure his new contract, beyond the authority of the board. Now that really tells us what we need to know about Wenger. That's something that really does have a significance on where we are heading as a club.

Wenger rightly deserves his credit for the cup win, but he also deserves to get slaughtered for his overall record. It's appalling. His decision to remain despite that record is also appalling. An astonishing act of selfishness at the expense of the club. He's done the one thing he claimed he would never do, hurt Arsenal. Balancing up, he deserves credit for his cup win and he deserves a mountain of criticism for everything else. And there's no way he should be the manager of this football club.

What the Wengerites are trying to do here is suggest otherwise. They are firing pop guns against the elephant that is Wenger's real record. The record that, sure, includes 7 cup wins but also an abysmal catalogue of failure. It beggars belief that some people are still prepared to defend this man, but there you go. Each to their own.

You're on a roll today with your posting. Very well put and totally agree

[Xhaka Can’t]

Oh dear, we resort to insults again, it's ironic you call me a mong to be honest.

I've made my point but you're clearly too blinkered to take any notice due to your vendetta against me, so I'll leave it there.

Being called blinkered by you doesn't really have the effect you think it does.

And yeah, you're on my long list of vendettas. :evillystrokingcatfromwithinmyundervolcanolair:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hands up ANYONE here who is doing that. I agree with a lot of the rest of your post but I haven't seen anyone on here doing that. I certainly haven't.

The totality of Arsenal fans is not represented by this board Letters

What NQ is suggesting is exactly what's happening on social media

[Xhaka Can’t]

Great post. nothing more to add.

Well fuck off then.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well fuck off then.

You're a bit tetchy this evening, heat stroke?

[Xhaka Can’t]

The totality of Arsenal fans is not represented by this board Letters

What NQ is suggesting is exactly what's happening on social media

The social media I read and even tonight's Evening Standard letters column indicate this is not happening on social media.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The social media I read and even tonight's Evening Standard letters column indicate this is not happening on social media.

Ok so you haven't seen the following on social media

Greatest FA cup manager of all time and still people want him out? #ungrateful fans

I'm not even paraphrasing

To say that it is a running narrative (which it is) does not discount the running of contrary views