Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[Xhaka Can’t]

IF it's Pelligrini I'm going to burn Letters' house down.

I think he lives in a flat.

[Xhaka Can’t]

To do anything other than in my view is to put your dislike of Wenger above wanting the club to win.

Frankly if you win the league comprised of 38 games you deserve to win it, it's absurd to suggest otherwise.

Leicester will win the league and will be deserving but if they went into meltdown and uncharacteristically we capatalised then it's deserved.

We don't deserve to win it as things stand, but if that unlikely reversal of fortune occurred than of course we'd deserve it.

Exactly.

That is why Leicester are going to win the League.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I guess the problem with you is your a shortermist, you want us to win the title that's fine, what is abundantly clear is however that if we do win the title there isn't a hope Wenger will move on, quite the opposite in fact, so to say you want us to win the title but want to see Wenger gone isn't a logical option.

The way I see it we've been absolutely awful, to win the title whilst playing so poorly and struggling for most of the season would really devalue it for me, the fact it would pretty much guarantee there would be no hope of Wenger going anytime in the near of medium term future would also be a big negative as it's clear the guy can't take us further.

We need change and winning the title in a season when every other top team has struggled and a team who battled relegation last season are our biggest rival would hardly be that great an achievement.

The sad fact is I get no pleasure out of this team, it's disjointed, lacks quality, struggles to score and defend and in any normal season would be nowhere near any major prize, to win it would be a false dawn, I've grown up watching teams winning titles not stumbling to them because everyone else can't perform, in that sense Leicester are by far the most deserving, a small budget, hard work, some clever signings and great tactics and a desire not to be beaten has got them to the top, something barely any other team has demonstrated any of.

Anyone who says they ant us to win the title but want Wenger gone isn't serious about wanting him to go in reality, because that can't and wouldn't happen, in terms of our future not winning it and Wenger going would be far better than Wenger winning it and staying on for another 6 years.

I want him gone because he can't in my view win major trophies, if the unlikely happened and we won it. Literally couldn't give a fuck if he stayed or not, my wanting him gone is predicated on my belief that this almost certainly won't happen.

Winning trophies to me is far, far more important than who the manager is. I'm a pragmatist, I recognise that I have no control over the managers future so it's illogical for me not to want the best under the current set up.

Would I find it unbearable Wenger being given a new contract if he did the impossible? No not really, I don't think it would be especially advisable but I don't think I could want a manager out enough to purposefully want us to lose out on the title.

I think it's an emotional reaction from most who are understandably gutted by the debacle of the last seven games, the difference between them and yourself is that I believe you wanted this to happen even when we were in a more favourable position because as I say your attitude is not conducive to what I would consider someone who supports this club.

If I'm honest i think you'd be better off with a club like Chelsea, I think a club like that probably has fans like you.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Exactly.

That is why Leicester are going to win the League.

I'd agree but I also think it would be ridiculous to suggest that we would somehow be less deserving if they collapsed and we capatalised on that collapse.....an event less likely than Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister

[Power n Glory]

Yes, maybe so. Which is why it's good to see Leicester winning a title. If we can't do it, and let's be clear - we really, really can't do it - then we may be seeing the last ever "Small 15" club achieving it. Fitting considering the way the "big" clubs have ruined football. As for Wenger being complicit, you only have to listen to him to figure it out. Judge him by his words and actions. Sky is a private company that will always do what it takes to make a profit, regardless of who is affected or what is ruined in the process. They are doing what corporations do. It's the bastards that invited them in and the greedy animals at the already wealthy clubs, the corrupt swine in the senior positions in the game. Certainly not Wenger's fault alone, far from it, but he's been in there playing his role.

He's supposed to be a football man. Pure football. The fact that he's so complicit and welcomed in this corporate takeover muddies things. This is why my stance on Stan Kronke and ownership is slightly different. He's a vulture and in it for the money. That's the nature of the beast with his type. I don't think he's alone when comes to sports ownership. In fact, in the entertainment business in general, most just want a return of their investment and don't really care for the purity of the game/art or the accolades unless it comes with a cheque. But for a guy like Wenger, it's surprising his thoughts align so perfectly with the owners. I really can't understand why he's so complicit and defends their position instead of the fans.

[Power n Glory]

I want him gone because he can't in my view win major trophies, if the unlikely happened and we won it. Literally couldn't give a fuck if he stayed or not, my wanting him gone is predicated on my belief that this almost certainly won't happen.

Winning trophies to me is far, far more important than who the manager is. I'm a pragmatist, I recognise that I have no control over the managers future so it's illogical for me not to want the best under the current set up.

Would I find it unbearable Wenger being given a new contract if he did the impossible? No not really, I don't think it would be especially advisable but I don't think I could want a manager out enough to purposefully want us to lose out on the title.

I think it's an emotional reaction from most who are understandably gutted by the debacle of the last seven games, the difference between them and yourself is that I believe you wanted this to happen even when we were in a more favourable position because as I say your attitude is not conducive to what I would consider someone who supports this club.

If I'm honest i think you'd be better off with a club like Chelsea, I think a club like that probably has fans like you.

Mate, you need a slap. Cut the bullshit. We're all Arsenal supporters here and you can't tell a man who he'd be better off supporting. You're out of order.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd agree but I also think it would be ridiculous to suggest that we would somehow be less deserving if they collapsed and we capatalised on that collapse.....an event less likely than Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister

First up, if the banksters can't hold their ponzi scheme together for at least another year, Corbyn winning the election will be a certainty unless somebody even more radical comes out of left field. This is because the traditional establishment placeholders won't stand a chance of picking up votes. This is already happening to some degree, which is why we see Corbyn at the helm in the first place. So the comparison you have drawn is highly unsuitable given the range of possibilities that could unfold.

On the other hand. We are absolutely, 100% guaranteed not to win this title. That was true before the season kicked off, but human comprehension doesn't allow for such stark reality and it all gets clouded with hope and expectation. Forget maths, they can't possibly account for how massive a bunch of bottlers we are. No title. Not a chance. A better comparison would be to say there's exponentially less chance of us winning the title than there is of Jesus descending from heaven, live on BBC, walking on water and transforming the Thames into Chateauneuf du pape.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's a "quality" newspaper - the Independent (sic)

Arsenal FA Cup exit sparks fighting during filming of Arsenal Fan TV, claim eye-witness reports

Eye-witnesses claim that violence broke out between Arsenal fans during filming for the popular Arsenal Fan TV after the Gunners were dumped out of the FA Cup by Watford on Sunday.

Arsenal Fan TV denied anything happened, stating that it was "so sad when people spread false rumours".

...a short video released on Snapchat appeared to show Arsenal Fan TV regular 'Kenny Ken' involved in an altercation.

No punches appear to get thrown on the video.

Click bait headline, suffixed with disclaimer (so now anything goes), "violence" claimed in first paragraph (80% stop reading at this point) then the anonymous source gets entirely discredited by video testimony nonetheless.

The Independent is also available in a handy tabloid size.

[Munchies]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Kroenke.html

Wenger on the front page of DM sport

EXCLUSIVE: Wenger to walk? Protesting fans could prompt Arsenal boss to end 20-year reign

[Munchies]

The club are concerned that Alexis Sanchez (pictured) and Mesut Ozil will not sign new contracts