Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[GP]

[fakeyank]

I would absolutely love it if we re-sign Flamini as back up. It would be a troll of trolls!

[Marc Overmars]

Stranger Things.

[Power n Glory]

It's not about Wenger, neither is it about not trusting a managers judgement. It's about not dumping everything in the managers lap and the manager making a decision whether a player deserves a contract extension and being able to trust people to handle it for him (the way David Dein did at Arsenal). If the club decides it cannot or will not pay the player the wages he is demanding that is a matter for the club because it's the club and not the manager paying those wages, if it's a matter of in the case of Gotze that you cited being drawn to interest from a bigger club, a manager will obviously sit down with that player to persuade him to stay but that's not the same as contract negotiations.
And you say I don't see the problem with the manager having the final say? He is having the final say he has made the decision as to whether that player deserves another contract or not, and he's left the details in the hands of other people.

It's not always as simple as that, same with list of players a manager wants to buy...that player may not be affordable for the club but then it's for the manager to provide alternative names, and then say I want that player. And then leaving it to others to iron out the details, as with the above examples it's about being able to delegate. Half the problem starts because Wenger cannot delegate, but he's still an employee at the end of the day and if he himself is a barrier to transfers getting done the board if they cared would say "no Arsene leave it with us, we will get it done".
Wenger isn't a confrontational figure, he might not be happy about it but would accept it.

You make it sound as if Wenger is a one man band. This is getting long winded.

This is worth a read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...wage-plan.html

Wenger said that his principle was “to pay something that makes sense and is defendable in front of every single player” adding: “We make exceptions sometimes but they are not maybe so high. If you want to keep making profit you have to respect that.”

Asked whether he set the wage structure at Arsenal, which has been criticised for having a too narrow band compared to other clubs, Wenger said: “Yes. I don’t know how it works at others. But it’s not only me, it’s in co-operation with the board. When we want to go 'far’ I ask for the authorisation of the board.

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However, it is understood that Wenger, once he is given a budget, sets the pay bands with the board deferring to his judgment. “We have no players on £200,000 a week and I think other clubs will come down to us with financial fair play,” he said. “We have a more socialist model.”

This is Wenger speaking on Arshavin before we signed him.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...l-not-be-broke

“The players who come in here are all on our wage structure or they do not come in,” he said. “It’s as simple as that. Nobody will come in above the highest level we have here."

We ended up signing Arshavin of course. Gazidis put pressure on Wenger to sign him by why is the pressure coming from Gazidis? Wenger has said he can ask the Board to authorise a deal that breaks the wage structure but he's reluctant to do so on most occasions. There isn't much wrong with the system it's the manager that's a problem. Not getting rid of him is the real structural problem.

[Power n Glory]

Leicester will be nowhere this season and they got Vardy and more importantly Mahrez signed up. Impressive tbf.

It shouldn't be that hard but it seems like the most difficult thing in the world for us.

[Kano]

According to Sky earlier it comes wit no buy out clauses.

I'm never convinced that the media get all of this informs unless it is explicitly revealed. A few weeks ago when this Mahrez bollocks all started, we were being told he had a low buy out clause, which then suddenly disappeared a fee twice the size. Keep turning the wheel with enough bullshit and most people forget what was said the day before.

[fakeyank]

Leicester will be nowhere this season and they got Vardy and more importantly Mahrez signed up. Impressive tbf.

We are not going to be anywhere this season either. We havent been anywhere in the last decade tbf.. I think I'd rather be nowhere with someone like Ranieri around, rather than the shriveled up dinosaur we have.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You make it sound as if Wenger is a one man band. This is getting long winded.

This is worth a read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...wage-plan.html



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This is Wenger speaking on Arshavin before we signed him.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...l-not-be-broke



We ended up signing Arshavin of course. Gazidis put pressure on Wenger to sign him by why is the pressure coming from Gazidis? Wenger has said he can ask the Board to authorise a deal that breaks the wage structure but he's reluctant to do so on most occasions. There isn't much wrong with the system it's the manager that's a problem. Not getting rid of him is the real structural problem.

I'm sorry I don't agree, I don't believe the structure is correct....not at all.

In fact the real reason Wenger is preoccupied with wage structure is ensuring no player is paid higher than him (which whilst I agree no player should earn more than the msnsger) does not justify what I see as micromanaging. A manager can state if he wants to sign a player or extend his contract and give an indication of how much he values that player and after that it should be that the club take responsibility. Wenger takes that responsibility because he is a control freak, and the board have exacerbated it by allowing him to consolidate his authority, and I don't trust a board like that to do what's right in the event of Wenger going.

[Power n Glory]

I'm sorry I don't agree, I don't believe the structure is correct....not at all.

In fact the real reason Wenger is preoccupied with wage structure is ensuring no player is paid higher than him (which whilst I agree no player should earn more than the msnsger) does not justify what I see as micromanaging. A manager can state if he wants to sign a player or extend his contract and give an indication of how much he values that player and after that it should be that the club take responsibility. Wenger takes that responsibility because he is a control freak, and the board have exacerbated it by allowing him to consolidate his authority, and I don't trust a board like that to do what's right in the event of Wenger going.

This is really going nowhere.

You only have to look to Ferguson at Utd at how this should work. He was directly involved with the RVP negotiations as well and didn't screw it up.

That last part makes no sense either because you were saying control should be taken away from the next manager and left with the Board. Never mind.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Not so fussed about the one season wonder, but keeping Mahrez is impressive I agree.

Why is it impressive? Who's bid for him?