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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Who?

    Nobody. That's who.
    Did you talk about how unfair it was on other clubs before Chelsea showed up? I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Did you talk about how unfair it was on other clubs before Chelsea showed up? I doubt it.
    Yes.

    Lots of other people did too.

    There was report after report of small clubs going under because the TV revenue was not feeding down from the top.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Yes.

    Lots of other people did too.

    There was report after report of small clubs going under because the TV revenue was not feeding down from the top.
    Hard to believe, but even if you did I would suggest you were the exception, I certainly didn't complain about it.

    Sure there was stuff in the press but the fans of the bigger clubs really didn't give a toss. It only matters when it affects you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Get out

    Even gooners are buying into it.

    Ther reason we are where we are, is that the people that run our club (like them or loathe them) have made very astute decisions over a long period of time. We breed it. We make it essential that we do things properly, cleverly and with a touch of class.

    Any other club in the world could have signed arsene wenger as manager before we did.

    Other clubs have not made clever decisions. Just looks at Spurs.

    The playing field has never been level, simply because more fans have chosesn to support certian clubs rather than others, but in terms of the top tier or professional football, any club with a good business leader, cultered thinkers, PROPER knowledge of the game throughout their hiarachy cohld have done the same as us.

    But you constantly see sides who think that signing Harry Redknapp or Mark Hughes is a good way to run a club. These people are just stupid. It has nothing to do with money at all!
    Agree with a lot of that but also have to agree with hobson's choice. Yes, there have always been haves and have nots but the gap between them has increased exponentially in the Sky era with the huge increases in TV money and the CL expanding to keep a little group of teams at the top of each league which is very hard to break into. Without a huge injection of money I don't see how any team can get up there these days. Prudent management isn't enough any more IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Hard to believe, but even if you did I would suggest you were the exception, I certainly didn't complain about it.

    Sure there was stuff in the press but the fans of the bigger clubs really didn't give a toss. It only matters when it affects you.
    It only matters when the gap between the haves and have nots is so big that the only way of hoping to get up there is to have a huge injection of money.
    That has only been so relatively recently in the context of the whole history of football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Agree with a lot of that but also have to agree with hobson's choice. Yes, there have always been haves and have nots but the gap between them has increased exponentially in the Sky era with the huge increases in TV money and the CL expanding to keep a little group of teams at the top of each league which is very hard to break into. Without a huge injection of money I don't see how any team can get up there these days. Prudent management isn't enough any more IMO.
    I agree with you, whilst oil money is unfair, the gap between big clubs and small clubs was growing way before they came along and that was my point really (not that the companies with big benefactors are doing it fairly).

    Nowadays though you kinda have to accept that's the way it is, let's face it it's not going to change so you just have to get on with it and compete anyway you can, I think it's possible as we're showing and Man U have for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Hard to believe, but even if you did I would suggest you were the exception, I certainly didn't complain about it.

    Sure there was stuff in the press but the fans of the bigger clubs really didn't give a toss. It only matters when it affects you.
    I wouldn't expect you to care about it, as it's quite obvious you have no affection for football in its purest sense. You're happy to let artificially inseminted clubs like City and Chelsea waltz around.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It only matters when the gap between the haves and have nots is so big that the only way of hoping to get up there is to have a huge injection of money.
    That has only been so relatively recently in the context of the whole history of football.
    That's true, but I think it was before Chelsea showed up, Leeds tried to do it and did to some extent (then it went wrong for them), Blackburn did it, look at who has won the PL since SKY turned up and who has generally been towards the top, it was mostly the same teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    I wouldn't expect you to care about it, as it's quite obvious you have no affection for football in its purest sense. You're happy to let artificially inseminted clubs like City and Chelsea waltz around.
    No I'm realistic enough to realise it's not going to change (otherwise it would have by now), you seem to live up in the clouds where you think if you complain about it and belittle their achievements it will make the slightest bit of difference. It won't.

    At some point you just have to accept it is what it is and get on with it, I'm not interested in the financial side, I'm interested in what happens on the pitch and how we develop our squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    No I'm realistic enough to realise it's not going to change (otherwise it would have by now), you seem to live up in the clouds where you think if you complain about it and belittle their achievements it will make the slightest bit of difference. It won't.
    No, it won't. But I'm not going to coo over what a good side they are.
    Give me a billion quid and I'll build you a good side.

    It's possible to compete to an extent but we will need to be lucky with injuries to sustain this challenge. Clubs like City and Chelsea can throw enough money around to build such big squads that injuries aren't really a factor. If your striker gets injured you can just pull enough £30m signing off the bench. For all our resources we can't do that.
    Utd competed only because of the brilliance of Fergie - and they have plenty of money too of course. Without him...well, struggling would be pushing it but Spurs are above them, that's all you need to say about that.

    It is just the way it is though and until any sensible measures are put in place to stop clubs living beyond their means and distribute the money through the game more evenly (something none of the top clubs will want as it will affect them most), that's the way it'll always be.

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