The sad thing is that many of us are actually apprehensive of what will happen - but I feel now that I'd rather risk it than see more inevitable disappointment under Wenger.Originally Posted by Jeebus
The sad thing is that many of us are actually apprehensive of what will happen - but I feel now that I'd rather risk it than see more inevitable disappointment under Wenger.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
It must be wonderful to live in a world without shades of grey, that everything is one way or the other. What exactly is that like?...to have such a simplistic world view.
I think the problem with people on this board is that they are hypocrites, they criticise Wenger for being entrenched and yet they are exactly the same themselves, they think that anyone who points out that the money is just not there to compete season in, season out is somehow a stirring defence of the manager it isn't. I think a better manager than Wenger would be able to take advantage when the oportunites come about to compete, like a Jurgen Klopp has and like a Diego Simeone has....they know they can't consistently compete because they are battling against clubs who can make massive losses and still dominate 9 times out of 10, but they don't make excuses because they know they have been left behind.
Spending isn't the answer for clubs like Atletico Madrid, Dortmund etc because like us they don't have the ability to do it....they know if they sell one of their best players for 30million they can spend about 15-20 million maybe on the replacement because otherwise they know the wage bill will cripple them.....and they make the most of what little they have, Wenger doesn't anymore.
They know that winning one or two titles every 10-15 years is better than nothing, even though they know that the managers who helped them to achieve it will be poached by the plutocrat clubs eventually anyway.
This guy literally ruins every enjoyable part of football for me, i just want him to leave.
For me what ruins the game is people like Roman Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour and the cowards in Fifa and Uefa who are too corrupt to deal with them and do the only sensible thing that can be done to save the game a transfer and salary cap.
And then and only then could we reap the rewards of bringing a new manager in, one who isn't stagnant, tired and enfeebled.
There is a difference between having no money and pissing away what money we do have.
Wenger has wasted millions on shit, average nobodies over the years. We spent £2m here and £3m there on potential, only to realesse them or sell them on a season later because they weren't good enough, etc.
i said at the time that it was a pointless excersize, better to lump that money in with the small transfer funds that we did have to try and get better, more experienced players. But mostly my argument fell on deaf ears.
players that were decent and affordable were mostly overlooked in favour of 'unearthing the next unknown gem' from Africa or France. We could have done a lot more and far better then we have with player purchasing.
ultimately though, our continuous failure to progress, or win anything is down to Wenger and his lack of getting the basics right.
I still firmly believe that any squad we have had in the last 10 years did have the ability to win the title, compete for it till the end or win some silverware under any other tactically astute/top manager with a winning mentality, that was only focused on the football and not how the club was run on a daily basis from top to bottom.
for some reason this debate has now shifted back to the old one of whether we have money or not and I think it is becoming clearer to plenty more people on this board and most other fans that, that isn't the problem or where it continuously lies.
i really do not understand how we have shifted back to an endless debate about our finances again.???
we all know we can't compete with the billionaires spending power in our self sustainability model, but we can still buy good, decent, top players with the funds we do have and still win silverware.
Unfortunatetely we do not have that in wenger anymore
So by that basis you back Wenger entirely because he has done exactly what you suggested he has saved the money back and spent it on Ozil, even though our squad is appallingly thin compared to most of the sides around us.
In terms of the last ten years I can only think of two ocassions where the squad we had both in terms of quality and in terms of maturity from potential to talent was good enough to compete and that was 2007/08 and 2010/2011.
I would also add this season as well but for the lack of striking options, but I think the money we saved and had to spend on Ozil should have been used on a striker so no excuse for Wenger there either.
Where's the cunt that wanted Uwe Rosler in?
Erm....no
But you interpret it/think whatever you like
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