Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Power n Glory]

Didnt we get rid of more than we brought in last year (I am including those that went out on loan)? - to do so again this term is totally detrimental to the club especially as you can consider TV5 out for the start......shit I would be happy with the signing of a crap CB, at least we show we are trying to keep things evened out!

not to mention that players have gone on record saying how the club needs to sign more quality and the thought of it doing so makes them excited.......not the first time players have said this though at this time of year so we can expect the club to just ignore them.......difference though is the last lot that opened their mouth knew that they would be off if nothing happened......Arteta and Giroud dont have a hope in hell

Lord knows what sort of effect this will have on the dressing room. They've all been talking up signings recently. Wenger should know what sort of effect this has on team spirit by now. But I guess when he sees guys like Ramsey and Giroud beaming from ear to ear and working their butts off in training, he’ll feel some sort of vindication. ‘These guys are ready to fight, look at that motivation. An underrated quality’ he’ll say to himself. Bless their enthusiasm. Like amateurs preparing for a showdown with Mike Tyson. When it comes to the crunch they won’t deliver and it doesn’t matter how willing or encouraged they are.

[Letters]

The Chimp has told AVB he wants to leave, time for a cheeky bid?

£80,000,001?

[Özim]

You think it's a piss take, I don't.

If nobody is sure about the clause then they only way of finding out is to bid the supposed release clause, which we've done.

The deal is dead so let's move on.

As for making bids that we know wont be accepted as some kind of publicity stunt - I don't buy it. All it does is winds the fans up even more. "You've got £40m, shoulda bought Higuain etc etc" . It would make much more sense for the Board to have not bid £40m and instead use excuses such as "we're not in the Champs Leg yet so cannot do business" or "our new sponsorship deals don't kick in until next season" etc

I'm as cynical as anyone but bidding £40m for players makes no sense from a PR point of view.

Fair enough, then you must be surprised that Liverpool got so touchy about it.

As I've said there's no way nobody can be sure, if you sign a contract you have a copy and know what's in it.

I don't think the club see it that way, I think they'll see it as "we made big bids, people can't claim we didn't try to sign players", it's the perfect excuse. It's better than bidding for noone and making it look like you just don't want to spend money.

They know fans aren't going to buy these excuses suggested, why would they we've had 8 years of them and the fans have had enough, they've played it cleverly this time, it was clear Liverpool would never sell for 40 million, particularly to an English club, in addition Suarez wanted a move abroad, it all points to an unrealistic signing. Higuain on the other hand, well he may well have come, that's why we didn't pursue it, we might end up having to pay up.

[Özim]

Lord knows what sort of effect this will have on the dressing room. They've all been talking up signings recently.

Nothing new I'm afraid, it's been happening for years and we've never gone and signed top players, ultimately as Wenger insinuated they eventually leave as they don't feel we have the quality to be successful (and who can argue about that?).

[Letters]

As I've said there's no way nobody can be sure, if you sign a contract you have a copy and know what's in it.

Top players can't wipe their own arses these days let alone understand all the clauses of a legal contract. I'd expect his agent to know but I doubt he would.

I don't see how you can say:

I don't think the club see it that way, I think they'll see it as "we made big bids, people can't claim we didn't try to sign players", it's the perfect excuse. It's better than bidding for noone and making it look like you just don't want to spend money.

(especially as previously you said you didn't believe we were making bids at all)
And then say:

They know fans aren't going to buy these excuses suggested

You can see from the mood on here that no-one is going to think "oh well, at least they tried". After 8 years of declining standards and increasingly bullish statements about our ability and intent to compete people are expecting action this summer.

[Grebbo]

As I've said there's no way nobody can be sure, if you sign a contract you have a copy and know what's in it.

It's clearly not that simple. The contract wont just have the clause written in a simple sentence, it will have been written in legal jargon and can be interpreted in several different ways. For example I've heard the clause (whatever the clause is) only applies to clubs in the Champs Leg which we're technically not.

The player's agent obviously thinks there's a buy out clause otherwise we wouldn't have been encouraged to bid it.

The club think otherwise.

The only way you'll find out for certain is to get the lawyers involved and even then one lawyer will say the opposite to another lawyer and you're back to square one. Ultimately Suarez would have to get the move by handing in a transfer request and going on strike but he wont do that to join us.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

its seems on this one they've gone by shady agents. get us involved, get suarez wanting out, make sure liverpool dont deal with us, get him his dream move to madrid and bumper pay day for agent.

what protocol would there be? any bid over x amount and the club have to sell? why not bid 1 pound over isntead of a million?

By protocol, I'm not referring to the tenner bid.

I'm talking about taking steps to ensure we're not being duped, mislead or blighted by scum agents.

Apparently, that's what happened to us here, where we seemed to have gone by an agent telling us about a phantom release clause which led us to make an embarrassing bid which in turn ticked off the scouse ****s. For all we know, we could have been purposely deceived by the agent in getting us to bid an amount that wouldn't land Suarez, but at the same time hoping to draw Real's interest, who aren't known to be penny pinchers.

Massive pay day it would have been for the ****.

[Özim]

Top players can't wipe their own arses these days let alone understand all the clauses of a legal contract. I'd expect his agent to know but I doubt he would.

I don't see how you can say:



(especially as previously you said you didn't believe we were making bids at all)
And then say:



You can see from the mood on here that no-one is going to think "oh well, at least they tried". After 8 years of declining standards and increasingly bullish statements about our ability and intent to compete people are expecting action this summer.

That's true, however agents can and would know about a clause, it's a simple case of looking at the contract if you're not sure (they have to have a copy).

I didn't believe we'd bid that, as it turns out I was wrong and it appears we did, but I think you're underestimating the ability of the fans to forgive and forget as well, sure there will be a few moans of discontent initially (incidentally I do think we'll sign a couple players, but they will be the usual panic buys not up to the standard we need - but may well be enough for some who will claim they are just what we needed), but once the season starts it'll be forgotten and the stadium will be full and fans will just say get behind the players we have, we're stuck with what we have now.

I don't believe it's going to change, seen it too many times, last season was a very poor season despite getting 4th and yet it seems to be remembered in a positive way. Before Christmas we had some disastrous results and people were pandering for signings, a few results later and no signings made and it's all forgotten and we then end up stumbling to 4th with some overall woeful displays but people seem pleased enough.

[Özim]

It's clearly not that simple. The contract wont just have the clause written in a simple sentence, it will have been written in legal jargon and can be interpreted in several different ways. For example I've heard the clause (whatever the clause is) only applies to clubs in the Champs Leg which we're technically not.

The player's agent obviously thinks there's a buy out clause otherwise we wouldn't have been encouraged to bid it.

The club think otherwise.

The only way you'll find out for certain is to get the lawyers involved and even then one lawyer will say the opposite to another lawyer and you're back to square one. Ultimately Suarez would have to get the move by handing in a transfer request and going on strike but he wont do that to join us.

I disagree, when you negotiate a contract with a clause like this it's because you've asked for it..otherwise the club wouldn't bother. On that basis you would know exactly what it represents.

There's actually no reason for Liverpool to insert a clause like this unless it's requested, how would it benefit them?

[Letters]

once the season starts it'll be forgotten

That rather depends how the season starts.

last season was a very poor season despite getting 4th and yet it seems to be remembered in a positive way.

By who? Of course people are pleased we finished above Spurs again (I think most people care more about that than the fact that in order to do so we had to finish top 4), but I don't think anyone (certainly not on here) remembers the season in a positive way.