Steve Bould is number 2!

[Özim]

Can't see Bould making an ounce of difference to be honest, Wenger has known him a long time and he's probably another one who's grown to worship Wenger and his ways like all the rest of those at the club.

The youth team successes are great, but we had those before and as those prove youth team success means very litte, our double youth cup winning side produced no real 1st team players.

Do people honestly think a guy who's been at the club for that long will challenge Wenger, he's was a fantastic player but never particulary vocal, he was rather understated....like I said top player but Wenger needs someone to put him in his place and tell him some home truths about the team, tactics and players and IMO Bould won't do that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Do you seriously think a new no.2 is going to come in shouting the odds and expect to be listened to by Wenger - I quote "put him in his place"? That's even more unlikely to induce change. And anyway, it's an unlikely kind of appointment to begin with.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Can't see Bould making an ounce of difference to be honest, Wenger has known him a long time and he's probably another one who's grown to worship Wenger and his ways like all the rest of those at the club.The youth team successes are great, but we had those before and as those prove youth team success means very litte, our double youth cup winning side produced no real 1st team players.

Do people honestly think a guy who's been at the club for that long will challenge Wenger, he's was a fantastic player but never particulary vocal, he was rather understated....like I said top player but Wenger needs someone to put him in his place and tell him some home truths about the team, tactics and players and IMO Bould won't do that.

Knowing him and working with him are too diffrent things. Its about him having a positive effect on the team that matters the most.

Wenger does need someone to put him in his place, thats what his boss is for not his assitant. Does not mean bould can't give AW ideas etc.

[Özim]

Do you seriously think a new no.2 is going to come in shouting the odds and expect to be listened to by Wenger - I quote "put him in his place"? That's even more unlikely to induce change. And an unlikely kind of appointment to begin with.

Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

[Özim]

Knowing him and working with him are too diffrent things. Its about him having a positive effect on the team that matters the most.

Wenger does need someone to put him in his place, thats what his boss is for not his assitant. Does not mean bould can't give AW ideas etc.

Problem is Bould has been with us since 2001, 11 years of the Wenger way, I find it hard to be believe that at a club so dominated by Wenger and his ways anyone can move up and come up with new ideas and challenge his way.

Wenger is seen as some sort of god at the club, it's only players outside the club who ever seem to be able to spot his flaws and not praise him every other week.

The Wenger way is not far off being a brainwashing technique, anyone at the club seems to be under his spell.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

That's not what I asked. You clearly think Wenger is stubborn, so why is he going to listen to someone that is confrontational and dismissive of him from the off? I can't see how that is a good plan.

[Özim]

That's not what I asked. You clearly think Wenger is stubborn, so why is he going to listen to someone that is confrontational and dismissive of him from the off? I can't see how that is a good plan.

He's stubborn, but maybe someone a bit more outspoken may be able to challenge him and make him realise the errors of his ways, a lame lapdog who nods all the time and whispers a few suggestions isn't really going to work.

Would be good maybe to have seen someone more senior who is proven, someone Wenger can't question, someone who has experience of being at a successful club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Problem is Bould has been with us since 2001, 11 years of the Wenger way, I find it hard to be believe that at a club so dominated by Wenger and his ways anyone can move up and come up with new ideas and challenge his way.

Wenger is seen as some sort of god at the club, it's only players outside the club who ever seem to be able to spot his flaws and not praise him every other week.The Wenger way is not far off being a brainwashing technique, anyone at the club seems to be under his spell.

Well their rival players or former players so they would. No player would insult his manager while playing under him unless they hate each other.

All this the club won't speak bad of him stuff is silly why would they Arsenal have never been like that and never will be like that.

no your point about Bold, this is a new challenge for him i doubt he'd fuck it up just to kiss Anyone Ass at the club, he'd want to prove himself to be a good Assistant manager/manager.

Im sure he'd be as Ghelish off the pitch as he was on it.

We all said how Rice was a yes man but in truth he could have been far from that we'd never ever know.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He's stubborn, but maybe someone a bit more outspoken may be able to challenge him and make him realise the errors of his ways, a lame lapdog who nods all the time and whispers a few suggestions isn't really going to work.

Would be good maybe to have seen someone more senior who is proven, someone Wenger can't question, someone who has experience of being at a successful club.

Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.

[Kano]

Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

it is ridiculous that you actually believe, really and truly, that you could do better than a manager with over 15 years prem experience at the top of the game.

so you've listed the qualities needed - who would that be then?